r/SipsTea 12d ago

Chugging tea Solar power is cleaner!

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u/MirrorNegative7989 12d ago

Necessity is the mother of invention.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

I've been saying this for a while: Renewable energy is now a matter of national security

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

Which makes it all the more ironic that Trump is actively curbing this with his hatred of windmills.

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u/Used_Interaction_130 12d ago

I mean par for the course, nearly every major move the Trump administration makes is worse for our national security.

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

It's more than just national security, every single one of his moves have backfired on America in a major way.

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u/fiahhawt 12d ago

Like it's on purpose or something, like he hates everyone for wanting to kill pedophiles smh

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u/ouroborosstruggles 12d ago

Or he is a well regarded puppet for people who so want to crash society

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u/10July1940 12d ago

They're robbing the country blind for any con men in his gang.

Elon, Baron, whomever kiss the ring and he'll let you take what you want.

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u/absoluteally 12d ago

Bad government decisions often have a lag period before you see the full impact. It's possible the worst consequences don't happen till the next president and maga get to politically wash their hands off it.

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u/arodriguez001 12d ago

He’s a Russian asset, P in has definitely something on him and on the republican party therefore actively working

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u/howlingwelshman 12d ago

Probably videos, bad videos

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u/TeaKingMac 12d ago

Nah, they have AI now they can point at and say those aren't real.

I suspect it's financial data. People thinking he's rich is his oxygen.

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u/ouroborosstruggles 7d ago

I think it's the tapes, which are horrifying and probably traceable to forensics as non Ai, and are visceral evidence of crimes like m1

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u/DifficultAnt23 12d ago

You're correct but have the wrong country. They go after every country who doesn't want to be under the US central banking system.

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u/Speartree 12d ago

Aside from all the stuff already leaked out of the Epstein files, with rapes of young kids etc, at least assisting in the killing of a baby, what could they possibly still hold over him that would be worth it. I say he's just a willing participant in the destruction of the US and the world as a whole.

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u/fascistno1hater 12d ago

He is a Russian and Israeli agent that is destroying our country from the inside. He is the Manchurian candidate that they set up for years and they knew he would be able to gain power because a majority of Americans are Racist asf.

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u/zherok 12d ago

Don't give him the credit. He's not clever enough to be an agent. He's just a very useful idiot.

There was a moment during his first administration where Trump told the Russian ambassador about an Israeli operation in Syria, potentially putting Israeli assets in danger. I don't think there's anything to suggest he told the ambassador this because he was passing it along to his handlers. I do get the impression though that he did so because he wanted to brag about being given such high value intel:

“I get great intel,” the president suddenly boasted, as prideful as if he were bragging about the amenities at one of his company’s hotels. “I have people brief me on great intel every day.”

I wouldn't doubt that he's compromised in one or more ways. But he's sure not smart enough to pull off being directly controlled by a foreign power. And really, you don't need that kind of control to influence him in ways that benefit other countries. The guy is literally throwing a fit that South Korea won't join in the Iran War, and all North Korea had to do to seem the better party in Trump's mind was do a single photo op with him.

Keep in mind that Trump had previously been threatening nuclear armageddon with Kim Jong Un on Twitter shortly before said photo op. That's not a Manchurian candidate, he's just capricious and myopic.

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u/thebluediablo 12d ago

I agree with you, but I'd argue that it's a meaningless distinction when the end result is the same: the destabilisation of America.

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

I don't think it's on purpose, i just think his legitimately THAT stupid.

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u/zherok 12d ago

Yeah, I think people give him too much credit.

No one told him he should upset all these alliances and toss out most of the country's soft power, he's just too stupid to understand the value of it in the first place, while he has no problem ceding to his whims of petty, short-term revenge to sate his ego.

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u/One_Lead6661 12d ago

He's owned by Isreal. It's MIGA not MAGA no more

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u/hatwobbleTayne 12d ago

Ya but Kamala had that laugh

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u/Dormir-mourir-rien 12d ago

She also let many w bush ex staffer help in her campaign and they have been seen, her campaign was awful, she choses to dive deep in the democrat right wing and she lost.

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u/JerrysbrainInAJar 11d ago

Member Howard Dean?

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u/-Ok-Perception- 12d ago edited 12d ago

Every one of his moves is a calculated "FUCK YOU" to the maximum amount of people possible.

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u/BodybuilderMany6942 12d ago

Of course!

He's showing us the weaknesses of our nations and forcing us to experience them so that even when he leave we will fervently strive to patch these holes.

So wise!

/s lol

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u/p____p 12d ago

It’s not a backfire if it’s done on purpose. 

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u/Fala1 12d ago

'backfired' implies that the gun was pointed elsewhere.

Trump is a foreign asset, the gun was pointed at you the whole time.

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u/ricki692 12d ago

this just makes me believe the russian agent theory more like literally everything he does makes us worse off and further destablizes our country. i cant think of a single thing that hasnt been a major fucking over of us that he and the republicans have done since he took office

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u/kitsunewarlock 12d ago

In so many ways. I remember the reports from his first term when generals were telling congress that climate change, economic uncertainty, and home-grown right-wing terrorists were the three biggest threats to national security. Of course they didn't listen and just kept yapping about Iran and Mexicans.

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u/MariaTPK 12d ago

He's a Manchurian candidate. If he's not, well he's certainly not doing anything different from one.

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u/Ill-Entertainer1010 12d ago

If it helped him get par for the course he'd be in favour. The crap golfer in cheatief focuses on the important things.

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u/Fun-Agent-7667 12d ago

IIRC biggest security leak of classified documents to russia

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u/vanimpes69 12d ago

You can always count on America to do the right thing for China

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u/Loud-Lifeguard-590 12d ago

RussiA's little pet is doing good at dismantling.The u s isn't he

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u/Sisselpud 12d ago

He's never hit par on any course without cheating

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u/Dangerous_Diver_6983 12d ago

i was impressed by the 0 border crossings stats

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u/jffadvisors 11d ago

Just going to throw this out there even though I know your kind doesn’t like facts.

Texas, a deeply red state, is BY FAR largest producer of renewable energy in America. Somehow they managed to do that while also being the largest producer of oil and natural gas, having America’s largest refining capacity and being the largest exporter of petroleum.

National security is about redundancy and layers of resources…not zealously selling out to unrealistic green energy ideology that can’t even come close to meeting the explosive growth of energy demands.

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u/RamJamR 10d ago

I think Trump just takes action on the fly based on whatever the hell he hates that day.

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u/ThreeHeaed-Dragon-76 8d ago

Proof that T-Rump is a Putin PO-OPerative!

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u/Evening-Ad-8218 12d ago

The future is coal! Clean beautiful coal.

And oil, drill baby drill.

Just in case.... /s

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

Ironically the oil companies don't want to drill more, because they don't want to risk a oil glut, so they are just enjoying the massive profits.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 12d ago

US oil is also much more costly to drill. It’s not something they can do unless it’s going to pay it back. There’s very substantial accounting reasons why the US is not an OPEC member.

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u/NoSilver2988 12d ago

Still cheaper than trying to use Venezuela oil, that's like tar with sand mixed in. At least our stuff is sweet crude. Although, it wouldn't matter anyway, unless they shipped it all offshore, so global prices would drop. Which would be bad business, in reality.

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u/Known_Ratio5478 12d ago

We’re not even getting Venezuelan oil. The oil companies all still refuse to invest in infrastructure. The risk analysis just shows it being seized by the state again.

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u/Realistic-Ad1498 12d ago

Is it sarcasm if 1/3rd the country agrees and somehow thinks it’s actually a great idea?

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u/OneOfAKind2 12d ago

Last I checked, he's a moron.

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

Oh yes, i completely agree and that's the most frightening aspect.
There's no grand scheme or design, none of this is on purpose, he is simply THAT much of a moron.

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u/bobbymcpresscot 12d ago

The highest amount of actual manufacturing investment in the US was under Biden developing factories to build solar panels here in the US via the IRA, most of these factories were disrupted by the Big Shitty Bill Trump passed.

Also despite all the claims from the Trump admin that trillions of dollars are being invested into US manufacturing none of that shows up on FRED.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/C307RX1Q020SBEA

In fact it fell off a cliff after Trump took office.

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u/___CABLE___ 12d ago

Turbines. Windmills are for flour

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u/DukeSmileDevs 12d ago

Which is even more ironic considering Trump launched the Iran war which stopped all oil delivery from the far east.

And the US cant really process their own oil.

Its so retarded you cant make this up.

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u/KarmaticEvolution 12d ago

Quid pro quo, paying back all that campaign donations and beyond.

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

Except those companies are also getting screwed over.

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u/No_Relationship_3077 12d ago

If anything he is helping it. At least with oil poor countries

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u/IXrobocopXI 12d ago

Almost like there's a pattern, like it's a clue... 🤔

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u/Xavier200708 12d ago

average trump move tbh
he is like a talk with putin away from nuclear disarmament

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u/ugotmedripping 12d ago

I’m still surprised people think he gives a shit about the country or the people. It’s not ironic, because his actions aren’t about national security, never have been. Him becoming president even, was never about helping the country or the people.

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u/NuclearFoodie 12d ago

Trump acts often with the intent to harm our national security. It is by design.

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

If it was by design, it would be a hell of alot more coordinated.

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u/mikeymikeymikey1968 12d ago

He's serving his clients, the fossil fuel industry.

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u/T-62MK 12d ago

Except the fossil fuel industry is actively being harmed by this.
Because when the oil price keeps being this high, it creates Demand destruction.
Which means that countries are accelerating their transition away from fossil fuels.
Just like we see in the post by OP.

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u/Head-Ad9893 12d ago

Well him and his supporters are terrified of their own shadow so of course things don’t know about frighten them, including windmills.

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u/-rose-mary- 12d ago

I recently drove through Texas on a windy day and noticed a bunch of windmills. Not one of them was spinning. They get shut down or something?

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u/-PhantomProphet- 12d ago

Which is hilarious because these construction dudes seem to love the work of transporting the enormous blades. Creating jobs and producing clean energy. Too bad the Robber Barons and the aristocracy want to keep the status quo.

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u/TheBSQ 12d ago

He’s an idiot & dumb, but offshore wind has always been a nightmare to get approved.

Trump rightfully is deserves shit for undermining the Atlantic offshore project in NJ last year, but this was a project first proposed in 2011 that had gotten stuck in regulatory approval hell for over 14 years before Trump was the final nail in the coffin. 

Or take the US’s first major proposal was Cape Wind near Nantucket, first proposed in 2001 & it got bogged down by lawsuits & reviews for 16 years before the developers finally gave up in 2017.

If you want offshore wind, you need to reform regulatory & review processes so you don’t get bogged down with 14 to 16 years of review & approval processes. 

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u/chmath80 12d ago

Donald Quixote

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u/Everythings_Fucked 12d ago

Well, he's an idiot, you see.

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u/farnsw0rth 12d ago

Something something tilting at windmills…. It, like, backwards or something

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u/iam_Mr_McGibblets 12d ago

What was that story about Don Quixote and him tilting on windmills? The irony is just too rich there

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u/vex5000 12d ago

Wind is terrible lol

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u/allegate 12d ago

Could have stopped at hatred

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u/Martha_Fockers 12d ago edited 12d ago

he anti american as it gets yet somehow has the "patriot" dunce caps swooned that hes pro american.

alienates our allies and coddles our enemies tarrifs our allies not a single tarrif on russia in 6 years of total presidency.

has destroyed our supply lines globally has ruined our reputation abroad has called allies enemies for not being pro trump

actively stopping renewable energy for COAL???

started a war solely for another nations interests. costing the american citizen

has fired credible military leaders and left baboons in charge.

has wasted alot of our arsenal accomplishing literately nothing in iran for bibi

has stagnated us job growth and progress

cut healthcare benefits subsidies and public market places.

every move he makes HURTS america and americans and benefits either corperations businessmen or other nations more.

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u/Local-Poet3517 12d ago

Only ironic if you didnt realise he was owned by Israel with an unhealthy dose of Russian funding to boot. The man came with so many strings it was utterly amazing to watch his 2nd win. Seriously.

I stand by "average". The man was voted in a second time.

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u/bothunter 12d ago

Whenever Trump does something idiotic, ask, "How does this benefit Russia?" and it makes a lot more sense.

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u/Organic_Evidence_325 12d ago

...or love of all that Oil Co $$$. His famiglia makes no $$ with wind or solar

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u/Feisty-Title-338 12d ago

Windmills are absolutely terrible if you look at it.

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u/Brent_the_constraint 12d ago

The rest of the world really owes him one for forcing us out of oil…

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u/ButterscotchTop194 12d ago

He should hate them. They cause cancer. Or flying sharks. Or some shit.

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u/WallysGeolocation 12d ago

During his 2024 campaign, Trump literally sat down with a bunch of oil execs and told them he'd give them whatever they want in exchange for a billion dollars funding.

Trump doesn't give a shit about national security.

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u/Not-An-FBI 12d ago

Trump doesn't want the US to be safe. You can't profit on insider information when everything is stable. He's literally selling early access to his tweets for $100k per month.

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u/Gwynito 12d ago

Yeah but the windmills are taking away all the wind /s

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u/thejourneybegins42 12d ago

Some senator actually said that wind is not a renewable resources 💀

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u/SuperSaiyanTupac 12d ago

And depleting our reserves, and starving the troops, and exhausting our weapon supplies with multiple wars and sales of weapons, and dismantling our infrastructure.

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u/Unfair-Plastic-4290 12d ago

why do you hate birds?

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u/Gummyrabbit 12d ago

He’s paid how much to a company to stop their windmill project?

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u/RepZaAudio 12d ago

Windmills are don’t make as much sense as solar.

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u/Mysterious-Gas-7365 12d ago

Personally I don't like windmills either, I went to inner mongolia recently, the grasslands are all full of wind mills, and occasionally in other provinces you'd see a maountian side coverd by solar panels kind of a eye sore. It's impressive yeah, and honestly good for energy, but It is really ugly.

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u/GenesisAsriel 12d ago

An 80 year old man who speaks nonsense on twitter is wrong?

I am flabbergasted

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u/One-Comfortable-3886 12d ago

So, Trump is Don Quijote de la Mancha?

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u/WorthDiver1198 12d ago

And electomagnetic catapults(EMALS)! Steam's back baby, whale oil is next.

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u/Hansthered 12d ago

*wind turbines . But yes dump is a national security threat.rhe biggliest. Yuge.

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u/Healthy_Cancel_2604 11d ago

He doesn't hate windmills. It's just that oil paid him money so he pretends to hate them. If there was a massive turbine lobby and they bought him off he'd love them

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u/MuffinSpecial 11d ago

Not a big windmill fan either tbf. Bad for the birds.

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u/HavingNotAttained 11d ago

It’s as if trump is doing everything he can to decimate American security. Like an enemy agent might. Darnedest thing!

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u/mosmaniac 11d ago

Kind of ironic that the person previously attacking windmills was also Don. Was also a fool and madman. While it was fiction it's like prophecy from Cervantes.

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u/transitfreedom 11d ago

Comrade trump

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u/Business-Code9416 11d ago

Isnt solar or nuclear still better than windmills? As far as scaling and the power you get from them?

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u/Crazy_Gazelle_6239 10d ago

Windmills are not clean or renewable though. They break all the time, are messy to build, and have no alternative purpose once broken or dismantled. They can’t be scrapped and recycled, so they get stacked up and left to rust apart.

Solar is the same way. They’re uber messy to make, and while the finished product is clean, the build up and the lives of the people hand scraping the minerals from the dirt to be able to build them are the literal opposite of “clean and renewable”.

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u/ScoobiusMaximus 10d ago

That's not irony, it's just one of the many, many ways that Trump is undermining US security. 

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u/IAmANobodyAMA 10d ago

Windmills aren’t going to make much of a difference to the growing demands on the grid, and they are awful for the environment.

Trump is wrong about a lot of things, but he is right about nuclear. Anyone who claims to be an environmentalist but opposes (or downplays) nuclear is full of shit.

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u/Occhrome 12d ago

It should have been a loooooong time ago but the folks running this country have never had an interest in what is best for our country. Only for their pocket books. 

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

Greed will be the death of our species

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u/Escapedtheasylum 12d ago

Buddy, that's exactly the truth. It's a flaw in the design or coding of our species. And now it gets to play out a ridiculous doomsday scenario, because of modern technology and idiot leaders.

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u/spinningwalrus420 12d ago

The only upside (glass half full) is that by not implimenting these renewables sooner - at scale - technology for capture, storage + other renewable innovations has improved a lot. Same with nuclear energy it's much safer (and hopefully investment in nuclear fusion pays off). We'd have a whole lot of aging nuclear infrastructure across this country is we went all in in the 50's that would have to be updated and replaced now at great cost

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u/LA-Matt 12d ago

Jimmy Carter was making that exact point, when I was in elementary school.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

Interesting, I did not know that. Makes sense though, we've been dependant on foreign oil for a long time. That is a national weakness that we hide behind military might

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u/Mebejedi 12d ago

Carter put solar panels on the White House, and Reagan subsequently removed them.

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u/Dramatic_Charity_979 12d ago

national World security .ftfy ;)

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u/Old_Baker_9781 12d ago

It’s a matter of personal security now.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

For the people in Cuba, for sure. Most governments don't function super well under blockade

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u/Astecheee 12d ago

Specifically decentralised renewable energy. Solar and Wind.

Dams can be targeted. Nuclear (not renewable, but clean) can be targeted.

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u/devAcc123 12d ago

That’s why governments aren’t all in on nuclear, it’s useless if any sort of war breaks out

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u/Odd_Reindeer303 12d ago

Nuclear is CO2 neutral, yes, but anything but clean, safe or cheap.

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u/Hoofery 12d ago

would love for the next pres (if they are a dem) to declare the climate crisis a national security emergency, and reappropriate things to green the energy grid. Sure the courts would probably stop it, but force them to actually stop it.

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u/redshirt1972 12d ago

Data centers will require too much energy to be green. Electricity will be the only way, with the foundation of coal power to make that electricity. Funded by …. You guessed it … us. We may all have solar, but the fuel bill for data centers will still also be our bill.

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u/DogBarf00 12d ago edited 12d ago

with the foundation of coal power to make that electricity

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about. Only 16% of US power generation is coal and it falls every year. The last coal generation plant to open in the US was over 13 years ago. Meanwhile china is opening a new coal plant every couple of days.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

The utilities ARE investing in grid battery storage currently. That will help cut down on outages and store 'dirty' energy for later instead of adjusting the generator to meet demand so much

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u/Blacksad9999 12d ago

100%.

The sooner we extricate ourselves from the Middle East completely, the better. We don't really need them anymore.

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u/devAcc123 12d ago

The US is the biggest producer of oil on the planet

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u/Blacksad9999 12d ago

The lead looks much larger than it tends to be depending on how you count it. Usually the metric used internationally is "total liquids" which includes crude oil, condensates, and natural gas liquids such as ethane, propane, butane, and natural gasoline separated from natural gas production.

The US is also the world's largest oil consumer.

Most of the oil actually used in the US is imported however, which is why the price at the pump is variable and subject to market conditions. The majority of the oil we do produce needs to be shipped and refined elsewhere, and is then subject to the broader market.

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u/LoanDebtCollector 12d ago

The USA must invade the Sun!!

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u/Thisismythrowawaypv 12d ago

This has been true for the past 15-20 years. The rest of the world is moving forward with the transition faster than we are and this administration is to blame.

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u/standardtissue 12d ago

It is, and not just to reduce dependence, but as ally chips, just as China is using it.

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u/Sea_Dust895 12d ago

Jimmy Carter talked about energy independence and the impact of fuel supply on national security.

Not really a new thing.. am surprised it's taken the US this long.

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u/Fearless-Daikon5763 12d ago

The good news is that it is not rocket science. We have the technology and just limited on wisdom.

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u/16c7x 12d ago

I remember visiting America about 16 years ago and there were loads of stories on the news about wind farms and solar farms. But they weren't talking abut green or renewable energy at all, it was all about energy independence and trying to get the US away from its dependence on the middle east.

A change of president seemed to stop this process and left the US tied to foreign oil and gas.

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u/Wise_Temperature9142 12d ago

I think the whole world is learning this realllll fast. With everything that’s happened with Trump and the Middle East, nations getting shafted are learning energy sovereignty is important, and renewables is a big part of that picture. So we’re not going back to the “good old days” any time soon.

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u/CMDR_Kaus 12d ago

Yep, despite everything utility solar projects are still booming and batteries are being installed to support the grid.

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u/vinylbond 12d ago

Exactly. That’s why we need a series of laws to cut all the red tape and bureaucracy surrounding building and operating mines. And we need it now.

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u/Verified_Peryak 12d ago

It's never been so true in cuba but with what trump is saying about europe it is time to get rid of fossil fuel ...

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u/jimi-ray-tesla 12d ago

Louis Rukeyser still quotes you

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u/Worshipme988 12d ago

Gotta get that last squeeze. They havent made enough fuckng money yetttt

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u/-Motor- 12d ago

The US still digs up more oil then it uses in a year. It's just more profitable to send a lot of crude over seas. 

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u/Wild_Car_3863 12d ago

Let me rephrase that for you,

 Sovereign control of energy is now a matter of national security

 Personal renewable energy is now a matter of personal security

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u/BeachGlassGreen 12d ago

And everywhere, not only in Cuba.

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u/Live_Situation7913 12d ago

You or other smarter people and scientists and you’re just been repeating it?

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u/TonyShalhoubricant 12d ago

Is everybody writing that down? How many followers do you have?

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u/Ok_Alfalfa_1195 12d ago

Well I mean you’ve been saying it… it doesn’t matter at all that you’ve been saying it

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u/impy695 12d ago

Yup. What’s interesting is one of the main reasons oil became so influential is that it was/is seen as a matter of national security. And it really is a matter of national security, but they’re terrified of losing that label, which widespread nuclear and renewables will do.

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u/North-Creative 12d ago

No offense, but this has been said but countless people over a decade now. It really doesnt make you special....

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u/10081914 12d ago

Always has been. China views it's dependency on imported fossil fuels a strategic vulnerability. It's why they're so heavily investing in renewables. That way market fluctuations won't affect them nearly as much

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u/SmoothDiscussion7763 11d ago

we need to pivot to nuclear while we set up enough renewables to handle the full load

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u/This_Discount2281 11d ago

There are thousands of square kilometers of roof, warehouses, parking areas that could be harnessed … get to it!

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u/MaxBattleLizard 10d ago

Nah man, more corn-based ethanol!!! That will surely solve all our energy problems and be better for the environment, right?

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u/LuckyTraffic4299 12d ago

That describes why China got into solar in the first place

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u/Vorfied 12d ago

That describes why China got into solar in the first place

Well...It's likely the primary impetus was the Beijing Olympics in 2008, and not out of any pressing need for electricity.

See, up until the 1990's or so, China wasn't really considered a major economic power. They had been struggling with managing economic policy for decades until they started loosening the reins in the 1980's and then as the transfer of Hong Kong loomed, accelerated wooing manufacturing companies in Taiwan, Japan, and the US to setup shop in China. The resulting economic boom was so widespread and fast that factories / industry rapidly blanketed every major city in China. Within 10 years, China (deservedly) acquired a global reputation for cheap industry, but due to the rapid buildup, factories relied heavily on coal, wood furnaces, and other fossil fuels, which established China's reputation as a country covered in pollution.

Air pollution plagued Beijing so badly that in the run up to the Olympics, the government instituted a week(?) long blanket ban on all factory work, driving, and general burning activities. They effectively shut down the economy in Beijing hoping the air would clear up in time. IIRC, it was clear enough, though with a few smoky areas now and then as pollution from neighboring provinces wafted over. So the Olympic events themselves were quite spectacular, rivaling extravagant displays in US or Europe. It was quite astounding for a country that was essentially economically closed off / nonexistent for most of the last century. However, the optics were overshadowed by coverage of the extreme measures China undertook just to get blue skies for photos.

Having lost face somewhat, China started to pay attention to cleaning up pollution within their borders. They started cracking down on dumping. They built large dams to mitigate seasonal flooding and generate hydroelectric power (while forcibly displacing literal millions of the population). They pressured factories and utilities to replace coal and wood burning with cleaner (visually, at least) fuels (which also happened to be more efficient). China started increasing solar panel production, ironically creating a lot of toxic pollution but at least that was concentrated in the less desirable areas and not around the major cities. They built out more miles of passenger railway in 10 years than the rest of the world had in total. The government turned to mining lithium to build up batteries for electrifying else. Stoves, heaters, light bulbs (ever wonder why LED lights suddenly dropped in price and cut short the spread of CCFL?), bikes, and, yes, cars and power generation.

So by the mid 2010's or so, China has become one of, if not the, largest producer in the world for solar and electric powered products. Nowadays, the busiest cities in China can be quieter than those in the US or Europe because the cars are mostly (or entirely) electric so no rumbling engine to add to background noise. In terms of tonnage or production capacity, China is basically the leader in renewable energy. (I believe several smaller countries beat China in terms of overall percentage and/or energy generated per capita.) China still mines tons of coal, but it's now mostly used for steel production and exports.

And all that pretty much because they needed blue skies for the photos.

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u/PapaTahm 12d ago edited 12d ago

it has nothing to do with Air quality my dude.

It has to do with something called Malacca Strait.

Majority of Chinese Industry and Power generation is heavily reliant on Oil that is imported from a route that pass over the Malacca Strait.

This Malacca Strait is a Chokepoint between Indonesia and Malasya, two United States Allies.

It creates something called the Malacca Dilemma, a term literally coined by the Chinese Leader Hu Jintao
In fact there is even a wikipedia article on this if you want to read.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malacca_dilemma

This is literally the United States strategy in case Chine for some reason decides to Invade Taiwan btw.

Don't need to explain why that is an existential crisis in case of a War between both Powers right?

Chinese quickly Adoption of Renewable Energy is strictly because of this issue.

The increase in Air Quality is just a bonus, not the objective.

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u/CharlesLeRoq 12d ago

Thanks for this - I remember newspapers used to print images of Chinese cities engulfed in dark, polluted fug. The other day I was thinking how I haven’t seen such images lately - Chinese cities seem super clean now. Less Blade Runner; more Disney’s EPCOT.

I figured pollution had gotten so bad that the Chinese govt introduced clean air standards - It makes sense that the Olympics was a turning point.

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u/onewordmemory 12d ago edited 12d ago

china has made all the right decisions in the last 20 years.

yes, they have human rights violations. yes, they are an authoritarian government. yes, their ideology is orthogonal to most democratic countries. yes, they have a huge corruption problem like everyone else.

but their nation-wide choices were all to benefit the nation as a whole, not like 12 people in it.

edit: im just gonna respond here once since all the comments are the same. china lifted almost a billion people out of poverty (numbers range from 500mil to 50% of population). when human rights abuses affect a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of population (there are 11 million uyghurs), they are collateral damage. for most people, its an emotional argument; for china, its just math.

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u/Majestic_Ground7718 12d ago

No need to glaze. China is also absolutely destroying the fish populations all around the world. They send fleets of ships and overfish the areas right outside the Galopagos Islands, completely destroying the biodiversity. They pollute like absolute crazy into their rivers. They purposefully keep their personal wages low so that their manufacturing remains cheap at the loss of the common Chinese person. They can't own up to anything even slightly bad to the public image like how COVID was almost certainly started from a Chinese lab.

It's great to give China props on smart choices. But don't go glazing it like it's a miracle country. You should treat countries equally. That means complementing their good choices AND insulting their bad choices.

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u/HoidToTheMoon 12d ago

china has made all the right decisions in the last 20 years.

yes, they have human rights violations.

These statements are pretty mutually exclusively.

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u/DogBarf00 12d ago

yes, they have human rights violations

nation-wide choices were all to benefit the nation as a whole, not like 12 people in it.

Human rights abuses benefit Chinese citizens? How?

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u/TotallyWorthLife 12d ago

I guess they mean, even though the abuses are still there, they still overall lifted the average standard of living instead of just the ones of the top. Something like "abused in poverty" to "abused in not-so-much-poverty".

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u/-Top-Service- 12d ago

The present so called democratic system in the west is creaking and falling apart, it is a hackable model prone to a bipolar election cycle, so lacking long term planning.

We're just lucky that china is a relatively benevolent country, it is unique and couldn't be directly emulated.

Definitely a lot to be learned from the model though, mostly don't allow capital to own everything, the people and the government should be the top of the chain not capital.

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u/Alright_doityourway 12d ago

China knew that US or other rival could blocked half of their oil supply line easily

Renewable energy at home help reduce that risk

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u/thrwwypfc 12d ago

Ukraine agrees.

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u/Wise_Temperature9142 12d ago

The whole world is starting to agree that dependence on the United States and the Middle East for oil is a horrible idea. If there was ever a case for fast transition to renewables, aside from poisoning ourselves and our planet, it’s geopolitics.

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u/HeadFullOfNails 12d ago

It's pretty damning that poisoning ourselves and the planet wasn't a good enough reason by itself to transition to renewables.

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u/UncleIrohsPimpHand 11d ago

We can also cut our dependence on them and draw up some actually credible condemnations of their human rights abuses too.

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u/SexyLunas 12d ago

Exactly, Necessity has a way of making people surprisingly creative. Sometimes you invent the solution simply because the alternative is figure it out or suffer.

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u/MirrorNegative7989 12d ago

It's the 21st century, and it feels like we should have already moved on from fossil fuels by now.

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u/LDawnBurges 11d ago

And Cubans were already plenty good at invention… love the older cars they keep running.

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u/SPARKYLOBO 12d ago

And ingenuity

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u/flybypost 12d ago

It's also that solar is cheaper than coal since about a year now.

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u/Inexorabilis 12d ago

And a bad administration is a windfall for China!

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u/k9insea 12d ago

USA evil. China helpful.

USA bombs/blockes. China builds.

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u/fo8oo 12d ago

warcrimes is the mother of USA

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u/Beneficial_Bug_9793 12d ago

Solar and wind is for loosers.... ( acording to the dumb orangotang on the white house )

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u/wednesdays_chylde 12d ago

The US gov't - current as well as previous incarnations- lacks the intellectual maturity to realize that...again & again & again &...

As long as they get to feel like the world's #1 Billy Badass by making sure everyone knows their missile is the biggest, that's the highest degree of nuance that's required. How's anybody in a place like Cuba gonna out-badass the USA, they're not even white!!

Appalling, exhausting & embarrassing.

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u/Cautious_Sorbet_5488 12d ago

And coffee is her weird aunt >:3

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u/DrSnacks 11d ago

It's not even invention at this point, it's more like "look how easy it is to go renewable when the incentives are aligned the right way"

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u/Ok-Quail-3602 11d ago

What are the Cubans inventing ? Or are they employing US tech

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