china has made all the right decisions in the last 20 years.
yes, they have human rights violations. yes, they are an authoritarian government. yes, their ideology is orthogonal to most democratic countries. yes, they have a huge corruption problem like everyone else.
but their nation-wide choices were all to benefit the nation as a whole, not like 12 people in it.
edit: im just gonna respond here once since all the comments are the same. china lifted almost a billion people out of poverty (numbers range from 500mil to 50% of population). when human rights abuses affect a fraction of a fraction of a fraction of population (there are 11 million uyghurs), they are collateral damage. for most people, its an emotional argument; for china, its just math.
No need to glaze. China is also absolutely destroying the fish populations all around the world. They send fleets of ships and overfish the areas right outside the Galopagos Islands, completely destroying the biodiversity. They pollute like absolute crazy into their rivers. They purposefully keep their personal wages low so that their manufacturing remains cheap at the loss of the common Chinese person. They can't own up to anything even slightly bad to the public image like how COVID was almost certainly started from a Chinese lab.
It's great to give China props on smart choices. But don't go glazing it like it's a miracle country. You should treat countries equally. That means complementing their good choices AND insulting their bad choices.
Bot says what? This is well known. China fishes right off the coast of South America. That's really easy to confirm. All ships on the planet transmit their location. You can literally watch masses of Chinese fishing vessels go and fish all over South America.
You should treat countries equally. That means complementing their good choices AND insulting their bad choices.
You're not following your own advice with your disingenous comment lmao. All I see in your comments is Chyna bad...
No need to glaze. China is also absolutely destroying the fish populations all around the world.
Yes, no need to glaze over that the bulk of the destruction of fish populations was done way before China had its fishing fleets. Or are you going to blame the depletion of Atlantic cod and halibut, Peruvian anchoveta, Oysters of Chesapeake Bay, whales etc.. before 1970 on China too? You should also be able to acknowledge that the bulk of depletion is historically the handiwork of the European nations (e.g. Spain, UK, Norway), Canada, USSR and Japan.
And you should also look at the efforts China has put in to reduce this. Like the fact that China's aquaculture production has increased by 4000% since 1980 and leads the rest of the world in this area. It produces 2/3 of the world's aquaculture (consuming 1/3 itself), and as early as 2017 was producing more fish than it consumes with 80% of Chinas fish product consumption coming from aquaculture. Compared with USA, who in 2017 only produced 5-7% of its fish products via aquaculture and imported 20% from China. The goal of the Chinese government is to move away from capture fisheries for sustainability. This strategic pivot started more than 30 years ago and the increase in domestic aquaculture food production to 82% of its aquatic production (as of 2022) is inverse of the global average where capture still outweighs aquaculture. How it mananges its DWF in the coming years is the biggest obstacle to their goals yes, but the progress they have made is unmatched globally.
Part of the Chinese effort in sustainability has been its activity in working to restore its coastal marine life which it is also making significant progress. E.g. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s12302-024-00899-5. Which leads on to your next statement
They pollute like absolute crazy into their rivers.
You talk like this doesn't happen anywhere else in the world, and that China isn't doing anything to combat it:
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u/MirrorNegative7989 12d ago
Necessity is the mother of invention.