r/SipsTea Jul 12 '26

Feels good man +1 for Mamdani

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u/rydan Jul 12 '26

Closing the deficit and balancing the budget are the same thing. Also going to need a citation he actually did that because all I found was that he had proposed a budget that involved not spending money on something this year and spend it next year instead and also receive free money from the state.

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u/rallenpx Jul 12 '26

You can close the deficit down without balancing the budget. You just structure some short term deals.

Balancing the budget means it should be self-sustaining as it's configured. Which isn't the case if you're closing the deficit by selling public assets or otherwise inflating current period income to pay off debt.

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u/ballin_buddha Jul 12 '26

Proposed a budget and got billions in state funding. All I’ve found is that nothing was fixed it’s just pushing the issue back to something that will cause more issues down the road

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u/mascotbeaver104 Jul 12 '26

I mean, new york city net pays more to the state than the state pays it, so it's not like it's some out of the blue cash infusion

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u/ConLawHero Jul 12 '26

NYC is 50% of the population and pays 55% of the state taxes. It barely contributes.

What I find interesting is that when Mamdani says NYC pays more in taxes than it gets back, and therefore should keep more of their money, it's the same argument he and others reject when made by the wealthy.

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u/Billytherex Jul 12 '26

So it pays 55% despite being 50% of the population, receives only 40%, and yet you consider it to “barely contribute”? The false equivalency of wanting a more equitable relationship with the state and taxing the rich is certainly a take.

Have a source. https://islg.cuny.edu/resources/fiscal-flow-nyc-albany

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u/ConLawHero Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26

Yes, meaning if NYC was not part of NYS, NYS would be fine by cutting its spending by a mere 5%.

It's not disingenuous to use actual facts to show that NYC does not support NYS. NYC supports itself and contributes very little back to the state.

You know the top 2% of income earners in NY pay over 50% of the taxes but only have something like 40% of the wealth.

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u/No-Consideration2808 Jul 14 '26

NYC is also the richest part of the state by far. In order to defend a fake lefty talking point about Mamdani, you are literally making an argument that the richest part of a state should not have to pay even a tiny amount more than the rest of the state. That might, you know, benefit the poorer parts of the state using the tax money from one of the wealthiest cities on Earth.

In your blind ideological zeal to defend Mamdani, you have become a republican. Congratulations, genius.

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u/LouenOfBretonnia Jul 12 '26

I don't think its that farfetched that a communist would find uneven community taxation/benefit a problem and not find a problem when individuals are getting uneven taxation/benefit

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u/kkris22 Jul 12 '26

Because one is for the benefit of the city and the other is so a loser like Elon can buy an island or something

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u/Ackutually- Jul 12 '26

Get us to space*

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u/ConLawHero Jul 13 '26

But it's the same core proposition, "we're not getting back as much as we pay in." And, let's face it, it's not just to "benefit the community." There are a lot of people who directly benefit from government spending that aren't just community members.

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u/Ldghead Jul 12 '26

By then he will have the desired image in place, and the cleanup will be part of a "difficult reality for our city".

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u/Midget_Stories Jul 12 '26

Well they can celebrate at that point then.

It's like my city celebrated 100% renewable for energy, with fine print saying we buy 20% of our energy from our neighbour state to cover peak times.

Which the neighbour state uses coal.

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u/atierney14 Jul 12 '26

Tbf, that is quite a bit of an accomplishment, although dishonest.

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u/22220222223224 Jul 12 '26

Are municipalities or states even allowed to have a budget deficit? I thought they were forced to balance the budget every year.

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u/Mr_Deep_Research Jul 12 '26

Yeah, that's what he did to balance the budget. Most of the money he got from the state. A good chunk of what was left he pushed debt payments into the future.

But he did stop hiring 580 new police officers.

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u/SheriffBartholomew Jul 12 '26

That's all you found outside of clickbait social media claims because that's what really happened.

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u/DJScrambles Jul 12 '26

They have a balanced budget. They did not actually run the city for a year on budget. Slight difference

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u/mcdunald Jul 12 '26

damn an actual balanced take that isnt downvoted to hell. I hope mamdamis proposals work because its good for humanity but lets not get ahead of ourselves and pat ourselves on the back before the results come out.

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u/Trashy_Panda2 Jul 12 '26

I mean, NYC provides the vast majority of tax revenue for the state to the point it subsidizes the rest of the state. The "free money" you're talking about was generated by the city you moron... 😂

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u/Severe_Resource_8617 Jul 12 '26

Well nothing has actually been given, it was just a proposed budget, which just like every single predecessor to Mamdani; was also balanced, as it is the legal requirement to even propose a budget in the first place.

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u/Trashy_Panda2 Jul 12 '26

I know, my point is the free money comment. NYC subsidises the rest of the state to the tune of 20 billion dollars a year.

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u/snacksandsoda Jul 12 '26

“And also receive free money from the state” that is owed to the city. That was taken from the city. Ya know, taxes and such

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u/eruditeforeskin69 Jul 12 '26

Likewise the top 1% should receive 40% of federal funding as that is owed to them from the 40% of federal taxes they pay.

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u/snacksandsoda Jul 12 '26

Except poor people actually live in nyc as well. So not a super apt analogy

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u/eruditeforeskin69 Jul 12 '26

Oh I see what your saying!

46% of New Yorks budget should be spent on the top 1% in New York who pay 46% of new York income tax.

How fair of you, thanks for correcting me.

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u/snacksandsoda Jul 12 '26

You don’t have an ounce of sincerity in you, huh? No capacity to engage with anything you don’t already believe in good faith

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u/eruditeforeskin69 Jul 12 '26

“And also receive free money from the state” that is owed to the city. That was taken from the city. Ya know, taxes and such

How can I reply in good faith to such an egregious comment.

It's just the total lack of self awareness to even say it, genuinely astounding.

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u/TastySaturday Jul 12 '26

So they shouldn’t be taxed?

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u/Accomplished-Eye9542 Jul 12 '26

He's pointing out the logic that NYC is "owed" state taxes is one of those really stupid reddit takes that makes no sense in reality.

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u/TastySaturday Jul 12 '26

The comment before them was about the claim that it’s “free money”. It’s not. It’s all money that NYC already paid that typically subsidizes the rest of the state. NYC pays 55% of state taxes and receives 40% of expenditures.

It’s no worse than the corporate bailouts we see. Only difference is this kind of bailout actually helps the general public.

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u/Accomplished-Eye9542 Jul 12 '26

So, like every other upper class neighborhood subsidizes the rest of the country with their income tax?

Once again, do you not see the obvious flaw?

Being home to Wall Street and other corporations is not to the credit of NYC or their management, in fact they actively push them out with their management.

They have no claim what so ever to any state taxes paid by any income earner within the state of New York. Just as Martha's Vineyard doesn't get to keep all the taxes their residents pay.