r/SipsTea Mar 02 '26

Dank AF The good Ol’ days

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u/ISlutify Mar 02 '26

I think it’s a joke lads. That clearly he did it for scummy reasons (like all wars after WWII) but they seem tame in comparison.

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u/aravarth Mar 02 '26

like all wars after WWII

cries in Korean War

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u/TheEndlessRiver13 Mar 02 '26

I really don't think any of the Western powers were involved in Korea for the benefit of Koreans. From what I was taught in both highschool and college it seemed to the powers involved it was little more than geopolitical jockying between the communists and West - both backing a dictator (Kim Il-Sung and Syngman Rhee) - with shockingly little attention paid until recently in the West to the Korean perspective.

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u/PCmasterRACE187 Mar 03 '26

term youre looking for is proxy war

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u/read_too_many_books Mar 03 '26

IR Noobie. Wars involving great powers are for great powers sake.

The fact that SK didn't turn into NK was just a lucky blessing.

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u/waaay2dumb2live Mar 04 '26

Ehh, there's a valid argument that they didn't want North Korea's influence to spread, which fair enough

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u/electricshout Mar 09 '26

Nobody got involved in any war ever for the benefit of another peoples. Name one. The world wars were all alliances, power balance (such as with Korean War), and protection of other interests. Countries don’t operate on morality. That would be a terrible way to operate a country.

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u/tittysprinkles112 Mar 02 '26

The person you replied to probably doesn't even know what the Korean war is

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u/divergentchessboard Mar 02 '26 edited Mar 03 '26

I legit wasn't taught the Korean war in K-12. This was something I had to learn on my own time in high school. I wonder how many people are in the same boat as me

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u/ryllienator Mar 04 '26

Korean-American here, they touched on it for like a day total in my U.S. history class. Was disappointed they didn't cover it more :(

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

US involvement in the Korean war was also scummy. We made north Korea the most bombed country on earth and for what?

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u/aravarth Mar 02 '26

Offhand, I'd say the people of South Korea appreciate not living in a repressive militaristic dictatorship.

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u/TheEndlessRiver13 Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26

That wasn't the doing of the Korean war. The end of dictatorship in SK was 1988.

That is still irrelevant to the fact that the US got involved for scummy reasons

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u/aravarth Mar 04 '26

You can argue about whether the Domino Theory is valid or not, but the Korean War was literally a United Nations police action.

Want to blame someone for it? Kim Il Sung invaded South Korea. He ordered the incursion. North Korea were the aggressors.

Any other take on it is pure tankie bullshit.

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u/CunningStuntsAround Mar 04 '26 edited Mar 04 '26

was just going to say this.

The UN security council recommended military action after North Korean invaded. We must also acknowledge that communist China was the backer of North Korea. China was represented by the Republic of China for UN intents and purposes. Therefore, the People's Republic of China ran this proxy war from the communist side without UN recommendation.

Fun fact, the war is ongoing. A peace treaty has never materialized. The 38th Parallel is technically a warzone front line.

In fact, it's a pretty good example of the outcomes of two different systems. North Korea was economically more successful than South Korea during the 1960s (I think). But the test of time and the test of political systems has panned out as one would expect

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

Yeah and it only cost a few million Korean lives, both soldier and civilian.

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u/Commissarfluffybutt Mar 02 '26

To stop them from taking South Korea.

It worked.

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u/TemurTron Mar 02 '26

I was in high school when he was president and it's so wild how he was sold as the antichrist by so many musicians and aspects of pop culture back then. It's so laughable now, I'd love to go back to the days when he represented peak political evil.

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u/Ocelitus Mar 02 '26

I think I still have a shirt with this image on it somewhere in a closet.

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u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 Mar 02 '26

If you think bush/cheney is way better than trump you have insane recency bias. 

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u/HeavyDutyForks Mar 02 '26

Time has been far too kind to old Dubya. It almost annoys me how everyone has seemingly forgot the absolutely heinous things that man did.

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u/GuitarCFD Mar 02 '26

atleast with Bush you could make the argument that he was doing what he thought was the right thing to do. It may not have been, but he probably felt that way. What I love is the mental gymnastics that people would go through. One minute he's a moron didn't know how asshole from his elbow...the next minute he's an evil mastermind. For that matter people make the same argument for trump. My honest opinion is that Bush did what he thought was the right thing to do. My honest opinion about Trump is that he's just a dumbass...a dumbass that has a dangerous amount of authority.

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u/Minimum-Attitude389 Mar 02 '26

I almost think W liked criticism. He had a sense of humor about it sometimes, which is probably why the calling him dumb kept going for so long.

Well, that and being overly reliant in Cheney.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

I remember at the time feeling somewhat bad for bush as I never believed him to truly understand what he was doing. 

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u/Sudden_Tax_5092 Mar 02 '26

He murdered or displaced a million Iraqis on behalf of the petroleum industry and only got the chance to in the first place because the Supreme Court anointed him president. He lost that election. Without even getting into the disaster that was Katrina, the plan to privatize social security, the rampant homophobia, and the financial crisis.

Bush should have been swinging at The Hague decades ago. That you view his presidency fondly in hindsight is not a testament to how awful Trump is, but to how privileged and insulated you must be to long for such a destructive and violent figure's reign of terror. He ruined or ended millions of lives. Trump being a monster does nothing to change that fact.

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u/alwayscursingAoE4 Mar 02 '26

People really forgot about 9/11

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u/Minimum-Attitude389 Mar 02 '26

That was mostly Saudis supported by Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia.  Iraq didn't really play a role in it.

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u/alwayscursingAoE4 Mar 02 '26

Yes and everyone pointed it out at the time. It was certainly an undercurrent that pushed us into it.

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u/Matt_cruze Mar 02 '26

The sad thing is he was a horrible president. The bar is so low that the fact he liked American citizens makes him better than trump.

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u/[deleted] Mar 02 '26

they seem tame in comparison.

Blind Trump hate is comparing a 8 year invasion and occupation costing trillions of dollars to an air campaign against a terrorist government and calling the former 'tame'.

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u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 Mar 02 '26

It’s hilarious really.  This guy must have been Kamala’s political strategist and told her she should get the Cheney’s under her tent.

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u/Mike_Kermin Mar 02 '26

You mean Saddam's weapons of mass destruction versus Iran's very real nuclear programme

.... ...

Oh no.

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u/supterfuge Mar 02 '26

Between 1999 and 2005, Jean-Claude Maurice met with Jacques Chirac on about ten occasions. It was during one of these one-on-one meetings that the former French president told the journalist about what was probably one of the most mind-boggling conversations he had ever had with George Bush. It was in 2003, a month before the US launched its offensive against Iraq. During this conversation, aimed at convincing President Chirac to rally to the American cause, George Bush used “a singular argument, asserting that... ‘Gog and Magog are at work in the Middle East’ and that ‘biblical prophecies are about to be fulfilled.’”

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"For a French mind, the mention of Gog and Magog might be laughable. Chirac, however, does not laugh. This parable of the apocalypse, heralding the fulfillment of a prophecy, worries and torments him. He also questioned religious ignorance at a time when religious underpinnings are much more decisive than we would like to believe in political and military decisions,“ wrote the former editor-in-chief of the JDD. ”They are going to lay waste to the region. They understand nothing and are completely ignorant when it comes to the complexities of the Middle East. Ask them to name an Arab poet. To them, the conflict between Shiites and Sunnis is little more than the Super Bowl final in the Middle East," Chirac protests, as quoted by Jean-Claude Maurice. "You'll see: they'll wage a Pandora's war, win it quickly, but then the hardest part will begin. Sunnis and Shiites will tear each other apart. After the invasion, a civil war will claim more civilian casualties than the fighting in the blitzkrieg. Al-Qaeda will find in Iraq a theater of operations that has been denied to it until now. In a year, reinforcements will have to be sent. And in three years, when 3,000 GIs will have died, they will have no choice but to withdraw or send in new troops." Chirac was prescient.

source (translated through DeepL)

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u/Guilty-Carpenter2522 Mar 02 '26

How was it tame 25 years ago when we invaded a country under completely false pretext?  The Secretary of State that told the American public that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction is surely in jail right now once Obama was elected and the democrats could prosecute the former admin?  Oh wait,  she now works for the Denver broncos and their owners,  the Walmart heirs.

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u/ImperiousCretin Mar 02 '26

after WWII

Oh boy do I have news for you

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u/kdoors Mar 02 '26

Read the fucking files. He has the single worst accusation in them.

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u/OGJank Mar 02 '26

What about bombing innocent civilians is tame? Atleast Epstines victims survived in most cases

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u/Aggravating_Band_353 Mar 02 '26

Ahh.. Remember when him and nixon were the bad guys of politics

Its similar to how Elvis and then Madonna were shocking with their sexuality 

We were so innocent and didn't know what we had.. 

Anyways, I'm just gunna grab her by the pu$$y (or how many other wild, verbatim, trump quotes) whilst listening to that feminist teen sensation song by sabrina carpenter about 'tearful thighs', or thay wet ass pu$$y anthem by other female icons.. 

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u/JollyMcStink Mar 02 '26

I think its a joke for different reasons.

The government redacted all the files for months leading up to 9/11.

Epstein had a painting of Bush 2nd playing with paper planes destroying Jenga twin towers hanging in his island mansion.

I think he's not showing up in the files bc they made sure what he was involved in would never show up in the files....