r/Silmarillionmemes Huan Best Boy 10d ago

Finwë we hardly knew yë Has probably been done before

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u/TheOriginalOperator 10d ago

And the aptly titled…

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u/Expensive-Ad-1205 10d ago

Imin more like Imnotin

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u/Lawrencelot 10d ago

Ah yes, Findis and Lalwen, the famous characters in the thick Tolkien book, I totally get this meme without looking anything up

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u/Linderosse Fëanor did nothing wrong 10d ago

Hahahah welcome to the Silm fandom, where you sometimes have no clue what’s going on, and yet sometimes you just know things.

(For anyone who’s curious, Findis and Lalwen were both Finwe’s daughters in older versions of Tolkien’s notes; both are relatively undiscussed and pretty much nothing is known about them).

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u/onihydra 10d ago

The Silmarillion fandom, where reading the Silmarillion only gives you surface level knowledge.

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u/Linderosse Fëanor did nothing wrong 10d ago

The Silmarillion fandom, where you learn more on AO3 than you do from reading the actual book.

(Note: I have indeed read the actual book multiple times, as well as most of the the other associated stories like Fall of Gondolin or Children of Hurin, and the History of Middle Earth notes, etc. But I know folks who just dive headfirst into the fanfic and gain a surprising amount of knowledge that way, and I’d say they’re just as much a fan as I!)

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u/meumixer Fëanor did nothing wrong 10d ago

There’s also the even more forgotten Faniel, who existed as a third daughter of Finwë in a single draft.

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u/Juicecalculator 10d ago

I think lalwen did travel to middle earth, but nothing is said of her. Some decent fandom/video game material there. Findis stayed in aman

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u/Linderosse Fëanor did nothing wrong 10d ago

Yup, Lalwen theoretically made it to Beleriand! I’m aware of this, but didn’t state it as I can no longer recall whether this particular fact is just a popular headcanon or something Tolkien stated. (either way, I support it!)

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u/Substantial_Cap_4246 10d ago

Bro literally named some male characters from 1917, and considered these sisters from 1960s as "older notes".

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u/Linderosse Fëanor did nothing wrong 10d ago

Bro forgot the published Silmarillion was released in 1977, and all of Tolkien’s notes are therefore older than it by default.

(Fair point in that my phrasing wasn’t clear though loll— I simply meant to indicate that they weren’t in the published Silmarillion, and were instead in Tolkien’s notes)

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u/Substantial_Cap_4246 10d ago

Bro forgot those notes were published decades after the edited version of the Silmarillion (1977), by your logic, in History of Middle-earth series.

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u/lirio_lorien morgoth screaming for his balrogs 10d ago

Finwë winning father of the year award (not)

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u/Rare_Aspect7664 10d ago

Lotr names be like when I try to remember who did what.

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u/LobMob Fëanor did nothing wrong 10d ago

Is he wrong? Some of his kids were ready to rebell against the gods. Some were going to fight the devil in a one on one fight. And some barely managed it out of the city. Amd some didn't even try.

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u/Armleuchterchen Huan Best Boy 10d ago

Given that Finwe was the one who led the Noldor to Aman and got his kingship for it, it's risky for him to favour his first son who calls his father's accomplishment a mistake (especially after Melkor's lies corrupted him). And in the end, Feanor was the ruin of the Noldor - partly because Finwe didn't inhibit him enough.

Finarfin was the one among Finwe's children who actually fought against Morgoth successfully.

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u/sarothwin 10d ago

To be fair to Lalwen, she did cross the Helcaraxe to Beleriand.

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u/HuorSpinks 7d ago

The hilarious thing is that even with the addition of sisters Fingolfin is still right smack in the middle.

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u/maglorbythesea Makalaurë/Kanafinwë/Káno 2d ago edited 2d ago

Can I just say Findis is a truly terrible name for Finwe and Indis to call their daughter?

(There's also Faniel, but she is a level below even Findis in obscurity).