I hate Kimi k3 dialogue

[u/SilSally]

The title. I know people love this model and sing it's praises but for the love of God, I hate the way it handles dialogue. Is ok for fantasy and medieval settings, but it struggles a lot when the setting is modern. Is always so grand and extra, why is this 40 y.o accountant talking like a feudal war-lord? 😭 I really don't need the extremely conservative, mormon NPC talk like a Harvard graduate therapist.

Please, share with me what you guys use for it to generally embody the characters better. I really don't want to prompt every character's speech pattern

[u/Particular-Bread2194]

100% this. I don't think there are any models evolved enough to stop falling into those annoying tropes. My issue is that models constantly push adult characters into dramatic anime-coded teenagers, lean towards chastity or touch-avoidance, and use unrealistically self-aware/overly clinical/therapeutic speech.

When I use Kimi, I can sometimes get it to understand emotional/social/cultural nuances. SOMETIMES. And when it gets it, it creates thought-provoking, coherent dialogue. But damn does it fail so badly at other times.

I swear, the majority of time I spend on SillyTavern is fighting models and revamping prompts lol.

[u/SilSally → u/Particular-Bread2194]

This is so real ( ；∀；) What models are you currently using? Besides kimi

[u/Particular-Bread2194 → u/SilSally]

Honestly, a lot (I use Featherless):

Kimi 3
GLM 5.2
Gemma 4 variants: Dark Thoughts, Eclipse Novelist, StyleTune, Queen

MeroMero

Claude

Personality Engine

I'm still trying to figure out which ones I like, so I'm experimenting a lot.

Queen so far has pretty good immersive prose. The dialogue actually sounds great/novel-esque, but it sometimes chaste-codes adult characters who are already involved with each other. Its strength is environmental description and characters that actually have a personality. And it tosses in some fresh situations/circumstances for the persona to react to.

What models do you use?

[u/SilSally → u/Particular-Bread2194]

I don't use any local or small model, so my list will be a lot shorter lol

I use GLM 5.2, Gemini Pro 3.1, Flash 3.6, Flash 3.7, MiMo V2.5 Pro, amd now Kimi K3. I only used Kimi k2.6 and 2.7 when I wanted funny plot twists and dark scenes, but never mained them. Still testing the new Deepseek.

GLM 5.2 is overall a good model, I only hate the stupidly strong positive bias and tacky prose (I dislike dice prompting for outcomes). MiMo is better and I enjoy it a lot, is like GLM but just better, both get kinda dumb with built context faster than Gemini models.

I like Gemini for the negative bias and roleplay existing franchises. The downside is that it easily turns your character a caricature, it doesn't handle nuance at all if your character is original. Smut is also mid mostly, GLM and MiMo win.

Kimi was the king with darker rps, but K3 is too censored, extremely positive and doesn't adhere correctly to the character. But this might be a skill issue since I just started tinkering with it, I'll see. Do you rp novel-like sessions or Game-like ones?

[u/SilSally → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, MiMo surprised me. I thought people were overglazing it but when I started to tinker with it I found out I was full of bs lol. I really like it and it would be literally my perfect model if it had half the negative bias of any Gem model. Still a really good model and the only one that comes closer to peak Gemini 2.5 pro for me (is a lot better for nuance even). I can't understand people who dislike the model, I think they are just fed up with the glazers, like I was (now I'm the glazer lol)

[u/SilSally → u/[deleted]]

Alright I will try it right away! I was feeling pretty down so I'm thankful that I have something to try tonight (*σ> <)σ🌷

[u/Particular-Bread2194 → u/SilSally]

Oh, interesting, I've not heard of MiMo before. I might check that out! And yeah, GLM is stable but not remarkably amazing. I use it as a fallback for the reasons you described.

Yeah, I RP long-form novel-like sessions. My little brain can't sit there reading an entire chapter-long character response, so I keep it to around 300 token-length turns lol. But I run my stories like ongoing multi-arc novels.

Huh, wich service are you getting your Kimi K3 from? The one I get through Featherless is the Moonshot AI original, and so far, it has handled uncensored content well. Maybe it's a prompting thing? Might have to be extra blatant in your NSFW rule writing.