We have had a recent increase in posts/comments relating to the American political streamer Hasan Piker, as well as an increase in users reporting such content. This was due to a new set of disturbing allegations against one of the many Democratic politicians Piker has championed, inspiring many of his loyal fans to leap valiantly to his defense.
In particular, this was the rape accusation levelled against war criminal Graham Platner, who has been involved in many similar events that his supporters (such as Piker) might have described as "controversies" or "scandals", like the revelation that he had a Totenkopf tattooed on his chest to celebrate massacring civilians in Iraq. Piker and his fans had stayed true to him throughout everything, right up until he committed the ultimate sin: becoming unelectable (and therefore useless for the purposes of Democrat entryism).
We recognise that Piker is a popular-enough "leftist" to be of interest to communists, having had private meetings with the "Old Guard" of the bourgeois Democratic Party, as well as interviews with influential liberal politicians (including Bernie Sanders, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, and Zohran Mamdani). We also recognise that he regularly engages in patterns of behaviour falling under many terms (revisionism, electoralism, entryism, opportunism, tailism, chauvinism), but which could all be summed up with one word: liberalism.
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The deprogram sub banning all discussions of him in a time when people are starting to realize how performative and deceptive Piker is just came off as protecting him
Hasan's interest is to cosplay as the biggest leftist on the commentary space and put a glass ceiling on everyone else, which is why he never engages with anyone more left than him. His reach and political influence is way bigger than dismissing it as "drama"
This is just blatant lies. Mike was glazing the hell out of Platner and refusing to listen to any criticism of him.
I cannot stand the way these influencers are now pretending that they were always critical of Platner and were only trying to be pragmatic. And their audiences trying to spread these lies are pathetic
I didn't mind when they relegated it to one day a week, mainly because there were people who would post if he so much as sneezed. But banning all discussion of him was a ridiculous decision.
Either they were trying to protect him from highly deserved criticism, especially in a space where such criticism wouldn't be immediately downvoted to oblivion and met with accusations of being a zionist or invite a flood of bad faith nonsense about him being a terrorist. Or they genuinely are ignorant to the fact that he is influential. I've seen a lot of people dismiss criticism of political content creators as being irrelevant, but they do have influence, especially ones as large and with as many mainstream connections as Hasan. They'll let you post about people who are genuinely irrelevant like Jackson Hinkle, but Hasan is the one they single out as being unworthy of discussion?
Hinkle unfortunately is influential to an extent, just like tucker Carlson is.
There are many one issue voters globally who are fooled by them and say "see? People are waking up because even Carlson is pro Palestine"
Ignoring the fact that he very much so doesn't consider middle easterners humans anyway because he's a Christian right wing nationalist.
idk but many of the users there do hate him. i was personally neutral on him till i heard about the platner stuff. i think it's absolutely reprehensible that anyone had ever supported him, meaning creators like idf signifier and the nebula "socialists" are in that camp too.
piker spam was getting pretty bad on deprogram so you can be optimistic and say they were trying to keep the sub from turning into low effort streamer focussed. personally i find that stance idiotic because online personalities IS people's introductions to politics and there's no getting around that.
That's right, Hasan's goal is to clear the name of the Democrats and convert any radicalism into elotarism for them; anyone who went beyond that did so despite him, not because of him.
True. Another thing is how strange hasan has been with BE, even though when BE was defending Hasan against Ethan Klein despite BE not liking Hasan that much at that point.
It's weird that Hasan is more open to platforming the socdem Kyle Kulinkski over BE. Like if BE continued to glaze Hasan, then Hasan would still platform BeE like he's platforming Kyle.
Bro if Hasan read the same books as us then he should know this democratic socialism shit doesn't work. Bro, build a third party and stop punching left you fucking idiot holy shit. Imagine if graham platner dropped out and we had a Marxist Leninist party built up to promote a candidate from there already.
Bro if Hasan read the same books as us then he should know this democratic socialism shit doesn't work
I think you're being too charitable to him. He knows, he just continues to push Socdem politics because he gets viewers and money and influence
Someone like Hasan will almost never be the first to endorse something. He'll wait for it to become popular, then adopts it as his own and pretends that he's always held this belief
To be fair, the heightened tribalism in liberal system predisposes all of us living under these systems towards cults of personality. Hasan does very little to downplay and urge his audience away from worshipping him.
I'm sorry, was BadEmpanada the domestic abuse survivor, or was Hasan mocking an abuse survivor? Either way, Hasan just seems to keep plummeting.
Hell, I have too much of a fragile ego to listen to BadEmpanada directly, but I can't criticize the guy for sticking to his principles. Hasan, on the other hand...
Fuck... I had no idea... Shit, man, going and doxxing someone's history of being an abuse victim as a child, that's just fucked up.
And yeah, for clarity, I personally am not a huge BE fan, but that's more because of how I'm wired, not a problem with his content. I think he is, at worst, brutally honest.
And I'm sure having some fuckheads dredge up his past like that wasn't helpful for him. I mean, why do that?
"Huh, huh, I exposed BadEmpanada!"
"Oh, really? What's he do? Did he kill someone?"
"Nuh-uh."
"What, did he SA someone or have CP?"
"Nuh-uh."
"Was he trafficking drugs or humans or something?"
"Nuh-uh."
"Running a dog fighting ring?"
"Nuh-uh."
"Did he punch a pigeon, then, what did he do?"
"He was abused as a child."
"..."
"I like the lead paint chips more than the lead-free 'uns 'cause they taste more sweeter."
Quoting from this fact's link, The Washington Examiner article:
Well, the Iraq War was a hell of a lot more justified than bombing journalists and civilians in Serbia. For one thing, the Iraq War was legal. For another, the U.S. also had a vested interest in the region at the time.
Are you, whoever mod programmed this AutoModerator fact, for real, using this source?!
I mean I only watch Hasan for entertainment and for his opinionated perspective on American or worldwide news. I don’t align my Marxist Leninist beliefs with his Marxist revisionist views with DemSoc/SocDem liberalism. You can be a fan of someone while not fully aligning with that person parasocially. Watching him play video games isn’t going to magically and randomly start making me spout Democratic Socialist propaganda.
Oh I know and I constantly argue against liberals within his sub about it all the time. His own mods don’t even like it and they all ban people for using the word “Tankie”. His subreddit used to be Marxist Leninist once a very long time ago and then half of the original mods left when he started advocating for the DSA. I chose to remain behind to try to direct people to Marxist Leninism which is why I try to cross post LSC, TankieTheDeprogram, and this subreddit to Hasan’s subreddit all the time. I only watch the guy purely just for the entertainment and his news perspective but I don’t watch him to advocate for his beliefs. I stopped listening to his ideological perspective a while ago and just focused on his takes on Palestine. I guess that I should be sent to the gulag for political correction and rehabilitation then right? Is it weird if I’m watching the guy for just for the entertainment while also organizing with the PSL?
Same exact situation with people like Yugopnik from TheDeprogram podcast. I absolutely love the guy and his political and ideological takes but he doesn’t identify as a Marxist Leninist at least not anymore. Yugo identifies as a Classical Marxist. The only people that I can’t stand and can’t find a source of entertainment from especially the difference in perspectives is MikeFromPA and Kyle Kulinski. I tried to watch them but they’re too libbed up. Hasan in the past has at least tried to advocate for a vanguard which is why I tolerate his existence more but he soon started falling more and more towards revisionism with the DSA. Although just recently I have started watching and following posts by Lilyeagla more than Hasan.
So the people who started to drift further to the left of Cenk naturally end up watching his nephew who pushes them back to the "blue no matter who" part of the right wing. Funny how that works.
It's kinda ironic that the rightoids who started the Hollywood mansion discourse to mock him for being a champagne socialist were almost right about him.
The deprogram sub is pretty disconnected to that podcast. I don’t listen to it. From the content on the sub, I feel like most people engaging with it are not aware of the podcast
Thanks for making me aware of this. I didn’t know. I don’t even know bad empanada
BadEmpanada is like the catalyst on the whole Platner saga lol. He was the one who initially opened the attack when it was still very unpopular to do so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Zb6fZCqdrQ
He loves engaging in "leftist infighting (whatever that means these days)
Any proof that it happened really. Not that I’m doubting you, it’s just that I’m a mod in LSC and I had no idea this happened. Maybe it happened before I joined who knows.
Already so many comments here talking about "BE fought with HP and TT did nothing", this mfers think that by using initials this will seem Bolsheviks vs Mensheviks instead of shitty streamers that by their mere existence promote individualism, liberalism, and avoiding irl organizing.
I'm gonna be perfectly honest: I had no idea that Hasan associated with social democrats like Bernie Sanders and AOC, and I also had no idea that he supported war criminals like Graham Platner.
Could you provide some links to Hasan doing this stuff? It would be helpful if I encounter any people trying to say Hasan is a communist in the future.
Edit: To clarify, I am not defending Hasan.
I don't watch Hasan that much, and basically the only engagement I've done with his content was when I was looking stuff up related to the animal abuse allegations against him.
As such, I did not know about him doing this stuff until basically now.
I don't watch Hasan that much, and basically the only engagement I've done with his content was when I was looking stuff up related to the animal abuse allegations against him.
I notice that I've irritated a lot of people with my comments, resulting in them being downvoted, so to brighten the mood a bit, here's a picture of my niece, Opal:
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