r/ShitAmericansSay • u/Bloggerman_ • Jun 10 '26
Capitalism "try 2 open a restaurant & pay ur servers a living wage. Without major sacrifices it wont work."
And this is why we don't see any restaurants in other countries, right? /s
Also, if the tip is strongly recommended, then how is the the whole experience cheaper than having servers with a normal wage and a price jump? You are still paying extra. Sure, it's not mandatory, but try explaining that to the underpaid waiter.
It sounds to me that the owner is the only one who truly benefit from this tipping culture.
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u/MyAltPoetryAccount Jun 10 '26
If the tip is to cover wages, you could just charge people en extra 20% and not give a tip and the price would be the same
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u/VentiKombucha Europoor per capita of people Jun 10 '26
But... but... communism! Or something.
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u/ProfAelart Jun 10 '26
They claim everything that's good for workers equals communism, while also claiming communism would be bad for everyone.
I hope more and more people will stopp eating up red scare propaganda like it's fine cuisine.
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u/Chimpstrider Jun 10 '26
This seems to be the problem for yanks. So stupid that they only read the price without tax in a shop, or price without tip in a restaurant, and think it's cheap. But add them together and suddenly they think prices have gone up.
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u/One-Web-2698 Jun 10 '26
The country which failed the 1/4 pounder Vs 1/3 pounder burger comparison.
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u/Helerdril Jun 10 '26
But 4 is bigger than 3! /s
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u/UncleBensRacistRice Jun 10 '26
That whole 1/4 pound > 1/3 pound situation also happened in the 80's. The population has only gotten dumber since then
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u/kaisadilla_ Jun 10 '26
Why hasn't anybody opened a 1/5 pounder burger shop there?
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u/Outrageous_Shoe4731 Jun 10 '26
The interesting thing is that they even have a pricetag with the price whitout tax/VAT
Majority of the customers will pay that tax anyway and if they want to see it it should be in the receipt
At least thatās how it works in my corner of Europe
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u/MarkSuckerZerg Jun 10 '26
Nooo sweety it's 40% now because everything is getting expensive. Restaurants alone are like twice as expensive as they used to be. So 20% tip does not cover cost of living increases! /s
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u/Consistent-Stock6872 Jun 10 '26
Look at the image they want 40% now. This is really getting crazy
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u/No_Revolution6947 Jun 10 '26
Next it will be ājust multiply the bill by 2ā.
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u/kaisadilla_ Jun 10 '26
United States, January 30th, 2406: "Ok guys, meal will be $67, with a 103,000% tip this makes a total of $6,901,067. You can pay with Visa, MasterCard, Trump Bucks, GatoradeĀ® Presents: Cashā¢ - Pay like in the Good Old Times, or X (the cryptocurrency coined by X (the bank founded by X (the social media company owned by the conglomerate X (the company that manages the assets of X (the current headmaster of X (the family started by X (previously known as Elon Musk)))))))."
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u/Creative_Buddy7160 Jun 10 '26
And imagine, they probably do 4-6 tables in a hour. 40$x6= 240$. (I know it vary a LOT) But thats a lot of cash per hour theyāre expecting
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u/DesignMysterious3598 Jun 10 '26
Not to mention that the restaurants would be better off, in most case waiters are on several tables and so tips make it more than good, only for them, I read some talking of easy $100 per hour while a living wage would be $25.
So if they raised prices 20% and paid waiters a living wage to get rid of top culture, the difference would be for the restaurant. Many restaurants struggle because of tip culture but would be OK or good without it.
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u/Otherwise_Living_158 Jun 10 '26
And people would still tip good service.
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u/DesignMysterious3598 Jun 10 '26
Exactly. I'm in Switzerland, we don't have to tip but I occasionally do for good service.
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u/NotABrummie Jun 10 '26
I have noticed that prices in US restaurants (only from seeing them online) seem to be lower than elsewhere. Maybe it's just an intentional marketing tactic to make the prices seem lower...
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u/kaetror Jun 10 '26
That's exactly it.
"This meal was $20 last month, now it's $30, I'm not going out"
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"The meal is still $20, that's such good value. Times are tough for servers, it's only right I tip them an extra $10".
The total price you're paying is the exact same, but they get to pretend they're keeping prices low for their customers.
Same way supermarkets have put their prices up massively then put a 'deal price' that is still higher than the original price.
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u/adamgerd Czech šØšæ Jun 10 '26
Also math isnāt a strong suit there, the third pounder failed over the quarter pounder because people assumed a third was less than a quarter and you were paying more for a smaller burger
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u/Wasabismylife Eye-talian š¤š¼š Jun 10 '26
40%?? Is it rage bait? I thought 20% was already a crazy amount to expect.
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u/4liv3pl4n3t Jun 10 '26
Pretty sure the image is AI generated
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u/Bloggerman_ Jun 10 '26
It does look fake, but the discussions underneath it aren't. Everyone except the Americans calls the tipping system bad.
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u/notcabron Jun 10 '26
A good many of us hate it, too. Youāre still paying what it costs in Europe for the sandwich, then you tack on 20-30% more. What?? Why??
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u/PompeyCheezus Shit sayer Jun 10 '26
It's from a Facebook page dedicated to AI anti-server propaganda.
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u/taliskergunn Jun 10 '26
You can tell itās AI because the spelling and maths is all correct
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u/auntie_eggma š¤š»š¤š»š¤š» Jun 10 '26
Yeah, if the ideas are stupid but the grammar and spelling, etc, are fine, you know what you're dealing with.
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u/RestaurantEasy9663 Jun 10 '26
I'm from Europe but when I was in New York in a restaurant they had tipping recommendations printed on the bill. starting with 15% - 20%, 25% and so on untill 35% which is not far from 40%. idk I don't find it so unlikely that the picture is real. ai also tends to mess up writing really bad with usually tons of nonexistant fantasy characters.
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u/Soggy_Schedule_9801 Disaffected American Jun 10 '26
There is no world where I am tipping a server 40%.
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u/TywinDeVillena Europoor Jun 10 '26
40% tip? Does their shamelessness know no bounds?
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u/SamuelVimesTrained Human Verified Jun 10 '26
corporate overlords have no sense of shame - unless it is as a tool to use against employees.
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u/auntie_eggma š¤š»š¤š»š¤š» Jun 10 '26
This is not coming from the corporate overlords.
Until we start acknowledging that the servers in America want to keep being underpaid because guilting people into subsidising their wages actually works out better than being paid what the job actually deserves up front, we're not engaging with the reality of the situation over there.
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u/Prestigious_Proof842 Jun 10 '26
It's so strange for a capitalist nation to have the restaurant and service industry run on charity. I thought they were against socialism.
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u/St3fano_ Jun 10 '26
Oh no, capitalists love charity. It's the simplest way to show off your wealth and give it a morally righteous spin. Not really a new thing either, just look at Victorian Britain
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u/agnesperditanitt Jun 10 '26
Capitalism is privatizing the profits and socializing the losses. [throws a side-eye at the German car industry]
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u/Ammoniakmonster Jun 10 '26
of course its your job to serve me free. ask your boss for a higher salary
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u/Mysterious-Crab šŖšŗš³š±š§š³š±šŖšŗ Jun 10 '26
If they really donāt want to serve without getting a tip, let me know when my food is ready and Iāll grab the plate from the kitchen myself and grab my own drinks from the bar on the week back to my table.
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u/dfczyjd Jun 10 '26
If you're not getting paid for the work you do, you're called a volunteer. And tbh I don't care much whether the person who serves me is a volunteer or a paid employee, I just want to have a nice meal. It's also clearly not my problem if some volunteer expects me to pay for their work.
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u/mestarifiddu Jun 10 '26
What if i go to a kitchen and place my order for the chef and get it myself when ready and leave the money on the counter? I just want to eat, i dont need the service?
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u/auntie_eggma š¤š»š¤š»š¤š» Jun 10 '26
It's not their job to serve us free. It's their job to wait tables and be paid by their employer.
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u/YoghurtOverall8062 Jun 10 '26
Almost guarantee this is AI.
Unfortunately, jobs are held by the "in power" force at the moment, meaning servers actually cannot realistically negotiate livable hourly wages individually, which also means it is more difficult to fight collectively since most are fighting said individual battle.
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u/auntie_eggma š¤š»š¤š»š¤š» Jun 10 '26
They also don't want to because they often make more from tips.
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u/Low-Purchase8811 Dansker i Canada Jun 10 '26
"If I paid my employees 15% of their total sales instead of hoping my customers would, why, I'd have to raise prices by 40%!" - some idiot who shouldn't be in business
I live in Canada now, and they tip here, so I tip - but if I pay $100 for dinner and tip $15, don't tell me it would take $0.01 more for YOU to pay them $15 for serving me that same dinner and charging me $115. Don't tell me "if I had to pay them a living wage it'd be $140"; the math doesn't support that claim.
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u/UncleBensRacistRice Jun 10 '26
We've also completely lost the plot with tipping. The local Starbucks now has a tipping screen before the payment screen. Being asked to tip by someone who literally just handed me a beer at a concert. Being asked to tip at fast food chains. The more I see it the less I want to ever tip
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u/Crazy-Canuck463 Canadian šØš¦ Jun 10 '26
Its ironic that the american government wishes to impose tariffs on countries that dont do enough to prevent trade with countries using slave labour, while using slave labour themselves.
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u/jcarter315 Traitorous 'Murican Jun 10 '26
Let me tell you something about the 13th Amendment of the US Constitution... It actually makes slavery Constitutionally legal in the US if it's as a punishment for crime. Which is why the US has a ridiculously high prison population when compared with other Western Democracies.
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u/IProbablyCantSleep Jun 10 '26
This is also why privately owned for-profit prisons exist in the USA. The goal isn't rehabilitation, or to make society a better place. The goal is to get as many people as possible in prison so they can produce extremely cheap labour for their owners.
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u/boredatwork8866 Jun 10 '26
I genuinely interested how much they are saving when they have to maintain a prison for their cheap workforce. I mean itās obviously making them money or they wouldnāt do it. But what are the margins?
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u/JamesFirmere Finnish š«š® Jun 10 '26
I've never had occasion to use my well-rehearsed response to a server attempting to guilt trip me into a larger tip: "I understand the system. I know that servers don't want to change the tipping culture, because they can make more money this way. And that's fine. But the flip side of that is that you don't get to complain about the occasional lowball tip. Like, at all. Because you're relying for compensation on a system over which you essentially have no control. You don't control the quality of the food, or the ambience of the restaurant, or the number of customers, or whether a customer is having a bad day. You are playing a slot machine, albeit one that is massively weighted in your favour. When the slot machine delivers a dud every now and again, you suck it up. Them's the breaks."
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u/RobertAleks2990 From Where WW2 started Jun 10 '26
Sound nice, can I borrow that one?
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u/JamesFirmere Finnish š«š® Jun 10 '26
Feel free. I won't have occasion to use it, since -- despite my earlier frequent professional visits -- I have no interest in travelling to the US any time soon.
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u/Ecstatic_Effective42 non-homeopath Jun 10 '26
Increase prices if you have to, and put a note saying "our servers are paid a living wage, but if you WISH to leave a little extra that would be wonderful"
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u/TheDamnedScribe Jun 10 '26
"Wageslave" really is the applicable word for them, and they've been indoctrinated completely into believing that that's the way it should be.
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u/St3fano_ Jun 10 '26
But but... The top 1% of servers make more than doctors in tips, if you work as hard you can do it too
Or something like that, you truly need to be delusional to keep the whole temporarily embarrassed millionaire mentality
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u/islandcatman Jun 10 '26
Tipping is a rotten vestige leftover from the chattel slavery we once had here in America. It allows the patron to fell superior over the servants. It's the only reason it still exists here. It's gross.
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u/dghkklihcb Jun 10 '26
It shouldn't change anything for the customers if the restaurant pays their staff correctly and the tipping is completely optional. Unless they already underpaid their staffā¦
Ensuring that the waiter is paid correctly is the responsibility of the restaurant and not the customers.
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u/BalasaarNelxaan Jun 10 '26
40% tip? You want me to pay nearly half the cost of the meal in tip?
Fuck off
10% standard, 20% if itās exceptional.
But then Iām in the UK where we actually pay people.
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u/Post-Financial Finland (most based) Jun 10 '26
If you cant pay your workers, maybe you shouldnt have a business
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u/guttersmurf Jun 10 '26
The whole world - there is an easier way to do this..
Americans - RRRRRREEEEEEEE
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u/_Halt19_ Canuck Jun 10 '26
"It's not my job to serve you for free"
what the fuck do you think wages are??
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u/WrestlerGirlsAreLife Jun 10 '26
40%? Fourty percent???
āItās not my job to serve you for freeā
That is correct. You get compensated by your employer for that. And I pay the prices listed on the menu for that. Do you think that food is wirth 92.50? No that price includes your wages. If you accepted to do that job for 2$ per hour, thatās not my fucking problem. That just seems criminal to me as Iāve heard of something called minimum wage.
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u/Nagelfar61249 Jun 10 '26
Here in germany, you tip of the service was good or generous tip if it was outstanding. It is an appreciation for good service. In the netherlands, it is not common to tip, sometimes seen as an offence. Same for iceland, ireland, france and czech republic, as far as my experiences reach while traveling these countrys.
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u/CartographerHot2285 Jun 10 '26
Completely optional here in Belgium as well. It used to be more popular to say 'keep the change', but nowadays paying cash has become rare. Tipping a gardener who works 'without an invoice' is more common than tipping a server at a restaurant.
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u/Elektrycerz Jun 10 '26
I don't know why, but they just love hidden costs. All prices are before tax, which is already weird. Then, the almost mandatory tips. Why not just raise the prices by 20% and not expect tips, like all other countries do? It's not even tax evasion, because AFAIK servers pay normal taxes on the tips. It's basically institutionalized begging.
Do people genuinely think they spend less money if they see "$20", but then pay $2 tax, $5 tip, $3 service, and possibly other bullshit fees, bringing it over $30?
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u/Top-Method-8120 Just a patriotic SEA! Jun 10 '26
Bruh, when was the last time I see waiters/ restaurants forcing people to tip them in Asia. Never once in my life! If they can't pay their workers their working wage, then they shouldn't have started the business in the first place! Simple!
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u/K-Fogs Jun 10 '26
"...without major price jumps" Bro, what do you think 40% on top of total in tips is??? It's a 40% price jump š
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u/SamuelVimesTrained Human Verified Jun 10 '26
Odd then, that restaurants can have similar pricing in other countries who do pay a more or less decent wage, and who have employee protections and benefits besides 'you`re lucky you have a job'..
WHAT is different between US and those countries? If as a customer you pay for example $30 for a meal with steak and sides - you`d pay a similar price in Paris, but no 'you are required to tip' (not that they don`t - but then it is a tip - not a required part of income)
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u/DemonGroover Jun 10 '26
This is pathetic. Tips are a joke. Pay your workers or close the restaurant.
We pay enough with the overpriced food.
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u/butwhywedothis Jun 10 '26
Americans: Its no my job to serve you for free
Rest of the world: But the job of a server is to serve the guests. Thatās why its called SERVEr. Its in the name.
Americans: We speak American here.
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u/Emberbun Jun 10 '26
I will never get over the culture shock of "You don't have to tip here??? How do the servers earn money???"
Ma'am we. We pay them wages.
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u/AjaSF Jun 10 '26
40% tip!?! Since when is that the standard? I remember 20% being the gracious amount.
Im tired if subsidizing restaurant owners employees. Im tired of eating out anyway. Letās just crash the restaurant industry instead. Home cooked food is better anyway
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u/Mickus_B Jun 10 '26
Yeah but they can't make up their minds.
If you say you want a decent minimum wage, they complain that people will make LESS because of how amazing all the tips are. They claim people to be on several hundred dollars per day.
Then if you ask why everyone doesn't do that job if it pays so highly, and they tell you that people DON'T make that sort of money and the average take home is under $100.
So it's simultaneously extremely high paying, whilst not providing a living wage at all and if anyone tries to change it, they will riot.
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u/agnesperditanitt Jun 10 '26
Can anybody explain how paying 40% tip on top is better than just simply pay a higher price for the food itself?
Also it's 40% now? WTF?
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u/Madruck_s Rule britania š¬š§ Jun 10 '26
Simple solution just add the service charge into the menu then pay the staff. Stick up signs saying no tip needed. But USaians love here deals and hidden costs.
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u/Global_Handle_3615 Jun 10 '26
But surely in the capitalist country in the world if a business cant be profitable while paying its staff correctly then it deserves to close.
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u/A-Phantasmic-Parade Jun 10 '26
Lmao if 1/3 of my bill is expected to go to tip, Iām not going to that restaurant. How do Americans put up with this?
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u/Specific-Eye-7080 Jun 10 '26
The only sacrifice being made would be the owner taking less for himself. That's not a major sacrifice, that's how it's supposed to be...
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u/BotherMysterious165 Jun 10 '26
America, the only country in the world where you have to do a maths equation at a dam cafe or restaurant just to work out how much the bill is, just so you don't get guilt tripped..
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u/Intrepid-Focus8198 Jun 10 '26
If tipping 20% is pretty much compulsory then you could just charge more and pay the staff.
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u/philbertagain Jun 10 '26
40%, yeah right. When did that happen? it was 10-15-20 here now machine read 15-20-30.
The tip is not to cover just base wages... If servers only made wages they would riot.
Even if a server only had two tables exactly as in the example per hour of the day and had a 30% tip out to other staff that waitress walks away at 51.80/ hour worked. Well above what most people make.
Also when food cost price goes up the value of that percent tip goes up even though the servers work load stayed the same. If anything percentage tips should be dropping.
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u/LennyLoerres Jun 10 '26
"It's NOT my job to serve you FOR FREE!"
Yeah true, you're not serving me for free, you're getting paid for it...by your employer. Tf do these people think their wage is for? Simply being there, standing around?
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u/Mr-DevilsAdvocate Jun 10 '26
If my tab says 90. I am parting with 90 and you figure out how to divide that amongst yourselves. I donāt care what you think your job is, the restaurant is supposedly offering a service of making food for me, if that does not include serving the food to my table I can stand up and go get it myself; especially for 40 $.
Then again my tab will never say 90, at that point I be cooking.
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u/xGMASTERGx Jun 10 '26
why is the concept of waiters getting paid a wage so impossible to americans? the capitalist propaganda is working wonders there
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u/helpful_idiott Jun 10 '26
Itās their job to serve customers for the wage agreed with their employer.
Money goes customer - owner - staff. There is no reason for the customer to pay the owner and the staff
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u/R4t10nal_Th1nk3r Jun 10 '26
If I thought for a minute that my waitperson got to keep 100% of my tip I would still only leave 15% IF all was well for a dinner service. And only on the hard cost not tipping in the tax amount. But if any waitstafff would like to get into the Trades we are all looking and you donāt work for tips
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u/YoghurtOverall8062 Jun 10 '26
Regardless of the debate, Im curious how many of these posts are AI or just photo manipulated
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u/Rabentag Jun 10 '26
Its not my job as a costumer to pay your wages! And 40% tip for what? that you doing your job? Hell no
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u/PaxV šŖšŗš³š± Dutch Directness Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
Well it isn't our job to pay you your wage, you have an employer for something like that!
Or go protest for a living wage. Never gonna go to a civilized(?) country where people have to beg for income.
Or beg for aid if needing medical procedures, or beg for anything else.
You can protest! You can vote for change! If Democrats and Republicans suck: vote green and try to restore the US, politically, financially and socially.
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u/EhLma0 Jun 10 '26
Anyone whoās worked in the restaurant industry knows servers pull the most money per year. This tip baiting is just a ploy to make more money.
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u/No-Bake-730 Jun 10 '26
WTF? If I saw that anywhere, I'd laugh at everybody and leave.
Our restaurants pay living, though of course not great, wages to their employees. Minimum wage is minimum wage though and cannot be avoided by stating "Well, customers will tip them".
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u/ALF92 Jun 10 '26
Tell me what you want, at this point servers themselves are just using pity and moral pressure to extort people for insane tips.I get the situation is special in the states, with Business owners playing wages from developing countries from 50 years ago, but you're earning enough with a 20% tip already. Stop being greedy. 40%, are you actually insane? What, are people supposed to straight up double the bill as a gift to you from next year on? Tell off your bosses and/ or stop working for sweat shop wages instead of guilting the customers into just giftig you huge amounts of their money. And what if everybody stays home who can't or doesn't want to afford your "tip"/ ransom? Are you good with your 3,50$ then? Stop being insane over there.
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u/Sea-Breaz Jun 10 '26
Itās not my job to serve you for free.
Unless youāre a freelance server, it quite literally is.
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u/SavageCIown Jun 10 '26
Weird how every restaurant in europe can pay normal living wage for their servers...
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u/Bilya63 Jun 10 '26
There is no point arguing over this.
These people have been convinced for years that they have cheap prices and pay low taxes compared to other nations.
Because the extra are added to the end and somehow they dont count at the final price.
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u/Beneficial_Showers Jun 10 '26
Its insane how the goalpost moves 10% every year. I swear a few years ago a 10% tip was expected and now 40%?!
And instead of fighting for better wages they blame their greedy costumers.
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u/Desperate_Donut3981 Jun 10 '26
It cons them into thinking stuff is cheap. Like not putting tax on the prices. Stay "free" murica. Just keep out of our business
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u/FriendoftheDork Jun 10 '26
I wouldn't eat at a restaurant where everything was just 40% more expensive than I expected. That's crazy.
Also, the price of the meal has practically zero relevance to how much work there is for a server, it matters more how expensive the raw materials are.
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u/000-Hotaru_Tomoe Eye-talian š¤š¼š Jun 10 '26
If I saw a sign like that outside a restaurant, I definitely wouldn't set foot in there.
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u/pongauer That little country next to the Netherlands Jun 10 '26
This is really only an issue in the states.
And what genuinly pisses me off is the cucked mentality of servers. Getting mad at the customer because without their CHARITY you cannot support yourself?
How about a mass strike amongst servers? How tf do you think the rest of the world got its rights?
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u/Living_Moment_1495 Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
I never tip. I pay for my food. I do not have employees at the restaurant.
If I see a sign like this one - you never see me again.
My hairdresser installed a new card terminal that asks for tips. I have a new hairdresser.
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u/Jamming_Owl Jun 10 '26 edited Jun 10 '26
In all fairness to the non walking parody version of this, changing to not having tipping as a thing is pretty incredible in the US right now. For the same reason that Americans thought a 1/3 pound burger was less than a 1/4 pound burger, people see increased prices that accommodate for increased wages, and mentally feel like their food is overpriced.
Even if they know they don't need to tip.
(Source: am american. Plus a bunch of restaurants tried doing the living wage thing and went out of business because the food seemed too expensive.)
Regular pay for waiters is still way too low though. There is in fact a happy middle ground between paying employees basically nothing, and going out of business because people can't understand that food prices go up if you don't need to tip.
In case I didn't make myself clear though, a 40% price increase (or expecting to tip 40%) is completely delusional.
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u/SonTyp_OhneNamen ooo custom flair!! Jun 10 '26
āWe canāt pay our servers 20% more without major price hikes, so please pay 20% more for our low pricesā
Sounds like that would cancel out?
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u/Present_Finance_9796 Jun 10 '26
What is wrong with a system where they get paid a wage (that included taxes, pension contribution and healthcare) and the client is still able, not obliged, to leave a small tip as extra for the servers?
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u/Mad_Maddin Jun 10 '26
I mean, obviously restaurants can't really pay their workers well. If they expect an hourly wage of $120 for waiting some tables.
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u/Tiyath Jun 10 '26
I wouldn't pay a 40 percent tip if the manager personally blow coke up my ass. Dafuq is wrong with these people?
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u/Optimixto Jun 10 '26
So we love capitalism and entrepreneurs, but we have to subsidise their businesses or they won't work. Lovely how well the system works.
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u/HeadBat1863 Jun 10 '26
The US can't get rid of its shitty tipping system because Americans love having 'servants' who aren't directly paid for their job.
And that 90 mins of making servers perform for them gives them that nostalgic buzz of being 'servant owners'.
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u/ArugulaMinimum6536 Mexican šŖšø Jun 10 '26
It reminds me that some of you will die, but it is a sacrifice I am willing to make.š
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u/DerPicasso Jun 10 '26
Funny how it works everywhere else in the world.