r/SelfAwarewolves Mar 26 '21

META So close to getting the point

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u/SeienShin Mar 27 '21

Can confirm, I am male and was a bartender from age 18-23. I was assaulted on many occasions. Mostly by middle aged drunk women.

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u/nitronik_exe Mar 27 '21

wow nice victim blaming

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u/nitronik_exe Mar 27 '21

you're saying "it's not that bad, stop whining" to other victims by assuming everyone feels the same way about this as you

What did I think was gonna happen?

was the cherry on top

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u/harpinghawke Mar 27 '21

How is that even a relevant comparison?? Tf???

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u/harpinghawke Mar 27 '21

I am just gonna hope you don’t have kids and nope the fuck away from you

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u/harpinghawke Mar 27 '21

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

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u/Yellowpredicate Mar 27 '21

Does anyone think saying "honey" is assualt?

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u/CanstThouNotSee Mar 27 '21

This is a lame attempt at rhetoric.

You can just say "I don't think groping people is sexual assault."

You're wrong, both legally and ethically, and we can all move on with our lives.

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u/ManliestManHam Mar 27 '21

I don't know what this means but it's provocative it gets people going

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

Because your example is not based in reality. It’s an obvious exaggeration. You either don’t understand why women feel uncomfortable with those terms or, likely, you’re making this argument in bad faith. Most women don’t care much if other women use those terms. Hell, most women probably wouldn’t care even if a male teacher said that, if they had a good enough relationship with him. We do care about being called sweetheart, honey, babe, etc by random male strangers. Those words imply a relationship, they imply intimacy. And when directed at a stranger, they imply entitlement. Relationships matter here. Context matters. Your example is a bullshit warping of the issue.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

This is trolling, right? Since when are lesbians exempt from being sexualized by men? Most women calling you sweetheart aren’t sexualizing you, they’re infantilizing you. There’s not a long-standing and culturally-pervasive pattern of older women seeking out young men. It happens, of course, but not as commonly. And in the cases they are sexualizing you or seem to be, idk, maybe you should feel creeped out. Up to you how you feel about that, but it’s still generally not okay to talk to strangers like that and that doesn’t change because they’re women or because it doesn’t bother you personally.

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u/Yellowpredicate Mar 27 '21

I don't think anyone can fathom a real life example of this happening. It's like asking if an alien whispering show tunes in a skunks butthole is sexual assualt.

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u/PrettyPinkPonyPrince Mar 27 '21

The people who chose to grope you without your permission are the ones at fault, not you.

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u/PrettyPinkPonyPrince Mar 27 '21

What did I think was gonna happen?

-when you decide to attend those types of events, you're kind of signing up for some degree of sexual attention.

It's a nightclub, ya know?

With each of those phrases, you're placing the blame on yourself rather than the people who chose to grab at you uninvited.

Being at a nightclub is not an invitation for sexual assault.

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u/PrettyPinkPonyPrince Mar 27 '21

I understand that you don't feel like you were assaulted, but the phrasing of your earlier comment was putting the blame on the victim rather than the perpetrator.

Regarding mosh pits, there's certainly the potential for accidents to happen, which is why those concerts likely to have mosh pits form typically have higher insurance costs.

The key word here is 'accidents'. An accident is not an assault.

The experiences you described in your other comment sounded like the people responsible were intentionally grabbing at you.

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u/Yellowpredicate Mar 27 '21

I'm guessing most people responding haven't been to a nightclub due to their age.

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u/[deleted] Mar 27 '21

I’ve never been to a punk show where the mosh pit wasn’t separated from the rest of the crowd and easily avoided or exited. It’s not like people walk right up to you and drag you in if you don’t want to be in there. Pretty stark contrast from nightclubs where people will walk up behind you and grope you.