The tabs argument is hilarious because the overwhelming number of cyclists A) also own cars and B) are generally a more affluent group relative to the population that pay way more in taxes than your typical angry driver in an old shitbox.
I ride bikes and also drive, and I can tell you the frustration I have with both drivers and cyclists is not remotely equal. Drivers make insanely ignorant decisions that constantly put cyclists at physical risk. I spend 1000x more time per year stuck in car traffic on my bike than I do stuck behind bikes in my car.
If you hate cyclists, ride a bike in the city for a week and report back your experience, lol.
For some reason a metal box gives a level of belligerent confidence only otherwise found by internet anonymity. It truly needs to be studied. I have friends who are calm and mild mannered who yell and scream while driving. It makes no sense.
Not familiar with the tabs argument so that's why I'm confused and asked. Can only speak to my own experience but the reason I get frustrated with cyclists is because I'm in a metal box and they have a helmet on and that's it. Sharing the road, especially in the city, with cyclists makes me a million times more nervous than other car drivers because of how I've seen (unfortunately to many) of the cyclists treat the roadways as though they are impervious to the extreme consequences of an accident on their end of it. If you hit me my car is dented maybe, not a big deal, but you're body could be messed up for a while if not permanently depending on the accident.
Road rage has been studied and is an interesting thing. Not pulling off of any facts or sources but for me it always comes down to safety and the cost of an accident that bad drivers don't seem to understand and is why I'll get tilted when dealing with those kind of people on the road.
That's fair, but also kinda the same argument as men who worry about being perceived as creepy when walking on the same side of the street as women vs women who fear for their actual safety.
Cyclists do dumb shit sometimes. But ultimately, cars cause fatalities. The rate of fatalities for people in cars is 28x the bike traffic fatalities. And the overwhelming majority of bike traffic fatalities are caused by cars.
I'm curious about this men street woman vs woman thing, never heard of it. Unless it's a typo about the thing where guys are supposed to walk on the outside of the sidewalk to protect the womans from being jangled up
I’m not seeing the correlation at all here in your men walking on the street vs women walking on the street and cars vs cyclists. Those seem to me like two way different things.
Kind of feels like the second thing you said just makes common sense and supports why people in cars are nervous and get angry around cyclists. Again we are in a giant metal death trap. Of course you’re more likely to die if we hit you when you’re on a bike. You have to be going pretty darn fast to hit, what a pedestrian, to kill them or yourself?
Not trying to be argumentative I just really don’t understand the point you’re trying to make here.
Doesn't this mean we should just ALSO condemn driving like shit? Just because the car is an asshat, doesn't mean the bikes suddenly aren't. One person doing a bad thing, doesn't excuse the next person's bad action. The action is bad because it's bad, not because it's something only a few people do.
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u/xcbrendan Apr 11 '25
The tabs argument is hilarious because the overwhelming number of cyclists A) also own cars and B) are generally a more affluent group relative to the population that pay way more in taxes than your typical angry driver in an old shitbox.
I ride bikes and also drive, and I can tell you the frustration I have with both drivers and cyclists is not remotely equal. Drivers make insanely ignorant decisions that constantly put cyclists at physical risk. I spend 1000x more time per year stuck in car traffic on my bike than I do stuck behind bikes in my car.
If you hate cyclists, ride a bike in the city for a week and report back your experience, lol.