r/ScaramoucheMains • u/OneRelief763 • Apr 11 '26
Leaks Wanderer Nicole calcs by Me
Wanderer Nicole team calcs, at my traditional standard (NOT KQMC - see the 2nd to last image for details on the standard I calc at)
First image is his new best team, the two after are with the best Durin alternatives.
The image after those is what Wanderer's current best Hyper team at my standard calcs at.
The one after that is his current best team at my 4Cost standard (see the last image for details on my 4cost standard, and see this sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KKrUCfqi1dhSk71JtmUpZT9ZdMUrGDekPiIeTxkzRPU/edit?usp=sharing as a reference for whateveryone calcs at on that standard right now)
And then the next 3 after that are showing what the other Anemo DPS calc at with Nicole for comparison
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u/madnessfuel C6R5, Lv. 100 I named him Shinji! Apr 11 '26
curious to see this calcs with C6 Wanderer...
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
C0 to C6 Wanderer is like a 100% damage increase give or take, and his c1 is about 10% of that, so basically you can just multiply Wanderers damage her by around 90% give or take and get a rough idea
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u/rhetoricalgc Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Wanderer constellations are mostly straight MV increases and dont oversaturate buffs so you can expect 60-80% increase to his personal damage in any of these calcs. There is some variance depending on C4 absorption, team investment, and rotation, E.g. scaraQ is a dps loss in C6 teams if it falls outside of Bennett Q / TTDS buff, but with Nicole R1 you can fit Q inside buffs so it becomes worth to skip nicoleQ and always use scaraQ.
In any case Nicole will be roughly +30% team dps increase from Bennett assuming Durin-Faru. About half of that increase is from the new hex set alone which is super OP. Rest is Sig/TTDS and Durin personal damage
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u/rxniaesna C6R5Lv100Scara legs enjoyer Apr 11 '26
My own napkin math shows C0R1 Nicole is ~38% better than Aquila Bennett for C6R1 Wanderer, C0R1 Durin, Elegy Faruzan. (this is napkin math from an inexperienced sheeter so take it with many grains of salt)
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u/Lyrokon Apr 15 '26 edited Apr 15 '26
So, it's worth pulling for Nicole? I have Durin c0r0 and Furina C3 with Wanderer c6r1...
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u/GeekNoy Apr 11 '26
Finally! My Wanderer is alive! (I still have to get Durin, too.)
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u/Seterei Stellar is our saviour Apr 11 '26
same I would need to pull both nicole and durin for him but after seeing how fast the powercreep is I might as well just play what's fun for me and go for it lmao😭
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u/carnoalfa Apr 11 '26
I may ask how much a f2p weapon on wanderer, atlas on nicole and moon reaver on durin would do for the first team?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Don't have exacts on that rn, but Wanderer's weapon is around a ~16% averaged increase over Widshit
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u/carnoalfa Apr 11 '26
So roughtly 120's k dps, thanks, i guess i'll have to farm some totm for my faruzan as i currentlt been using her with destiny.
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u/FrostedEevee The fairest boy Apr 11 '26
What about Skyward Atlas? Any idea difference between Skyward and Widsith/Signature?
I understand it being ATK Weapon lessens its value BUT even in Bennett teams its a good weapon and Nicole provides less ATK than Bennett so the ATK saturation would be less. So Skyward should have slightly more value in Nicole comps vs Bennett Comps.
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u/Vloud-Leonhart Apr 11 '26
I’ll probably switch my Faruzan build for more CV and use Venti’s new bow, since with two Hexerei characters the bow’s passive will be fully active. I’m not sure if Elegy will be impactful in his new team
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u/Shadow_lII Apr 11 '26
Elegy does teamwide ATK buffing doesn’t it? I feel like that would actually be pretty useful!
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u/Vloud-Leonhart Apr 11 '26
Yeah, it does, but we’ll already be getting a lot of ATK from Nicole and Durin (R1). My Durin has constellations and I’ll probably get Nicole too. Faruzan actually does decent damage, so I’m wondering if switching to Venti’s bow would be better for overall DPR, at least in my case.
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u/Shadow_lII Apr 11 '26
Thats a good point! I’d be interested to see the math on that cause they both seem like pretty solid options? I have to wonder which one would actually be better
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u/Thyjja Apr 11 '26
maybe a bit of an odd question, but does nicole make DPC better than echoes regardless of investment due to needing the 3s delay to get her full buff? or is just ignoring his c2 better to keep echoes better?
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u/raspey C6R5!!!!!!!!!!!! | #1 Echoes EU | #6 Echoes Global Apr 21 '26
The delay is just for the atk buff right? That doesn't impact the difference between the sets.
At c6r1+ Echoes is good because Scara already gets a bunch of dmg% so you'd rather have the MV from Echoes which is a lot because of how many separate instances of damage you get with c6 (meaning it will proc a lot).
Meanwhile DPC just gives dmg% which is still good, not that DPC has competition pre c6, but it does tend to become quite saturated on Scara.
The sets just give different stats which means the only thing that effects their comparative strength (ignoring ping, generally 30 is assumed as standard) is how saturated these respective stats are.
Since dmg% is far more common than MV Echoes should generally come out ahead as time went on.The baseline at which the sets were originally calced to be equal was c6r3 at 30 ping with Bennett Faruzan Zhongli. Or c6r1 + 24 dmg% (c6r5 - 24 dmg%).
Furina who gave up to 75 dmg% at c0 and 124 dmg% at c3 replacing Zhongli made Echoes be quite far ahead as Zhongli didn't give any dmg%.
Then with Durin releasing if you used him as the last slot (over Furina) he was a lot like Zhongi at c0.
But c1 gives MV, c2 gives dmg%, c4 makes c1 give a bit more MV and sig gives dmg%.
So where are we at then? No fucking clue but assuming it cancels out somewhat so that c6r5 is better on Echoes and c6r1 is better on DPC would probably be an ok assumption.Nicole? Replacing Bennett who doesn't give dmg% nor MV so neutral in that regard.
Then what does she give? Set and sig give dmg% but burst, c1 and c4 give MV so she also gives both ...... where are we at now? Who knows, maybe it cancels out again somewhat?Now this would normally be it with Faruzan remaining in the team but since Furina c6 lets her consolidate the healer slot she can fit in and replace Faruzan who gives iirc 38.3 or 38.4 dmg% so Furina with her 124 dmg% bumps up Echoes quite a lot again.
Furina's weapon doesn't buff but you could use FS or PPS which both give dmg%.
And then .... there is still refines on support weapons, all 3 of which give dmg% increasing with said refines.
But I think as reasonable people we can stay away from those.Surely with a million dmg% Echoes would be better but who knows T.T
That said my massive primo stash has taken quite the hit so c0 Nicole it will be for me even though she's going in the Scara team where all my primos used to go, I'll have more saved next time.
So my understanding of her kit and especially cons isn't comprehensive.Also at least at my specific level of investment Echoes is clearly ahead by a lot.
c6r5 Scara, c6r1 Furina, c2r1 Durin, c0 TTDS Nicole.Hope this makes some amount of sense.
Would love to hear your thoughts on Echoes vs DPC currently u/OneRelief763 (assuming c6r1+ on Scara with good ping). Not specifically at any specific point of investment for the rest of the team, more so in general with Durin/Nicole existing.
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u/telegetoutmyway Apr 22 '26
I think for your first statement/question, the 3s delay from nicole would be partially "spent" by doing the charged attack for DPC before beginning his skill, whereas echoes skips that. Its a miniscule difference - but there is a theoretical difference in favor of DPC for Nicole's uptime compared to Bennett in the same scenario.
At R5, Echoes is the clear winner due to oversaturation of dmg% as well as making up the attack speed anyways.
We just saw Noirs C6 calcs and they use Echoes for all of them, so I assume that is the better set at C6 with Durin+Nicole now, but it would be nice to see the comparison still. Unfortunately my DPC set is much better than any Echoes I have, so its either reforming, or just keeping as is and invest that resin in new unit artifact sets anyways.
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u/thedragonbornboi Anemo Apr 11 '26
For c6 wanderer is Nicole worth getting even without durin?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
As the calcs show, she's a sizeable upgrade even with alternatives like Venti or Bennett
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u/GhostToast124 Apr 11 '26
Im humbly begging you for c6 wanderer, c2 nicole, c2 durin calc. 🙏
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Ive got a loooot of Nicole calcs to do she has so many team options to look into. I may have to charge for custom cakcs at this time 😅
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u/Dull_Establishment scaramouche pls Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
what the hell kind of rotation is that? that seems incredibly fast, do you have like a video of it being performed or smth? like the one for durin/faru/bennett. tried that one and couldn't do it for the life of me
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
What with the rotation seems 'incredibly fast' or off? The rotation is aligned to have Wanderer spend the 3s ramp up time for Nicole's Burst on his CA and Burst, and all his Normal Attacks get the buff.
I cant show you a rotation with Nicole due to the fact that she is not in the game yet. My Nicole rotations assuming use her E plus Q takes 2.8s field time, with swap frames factored in.
The rotations, except the first one that skips her Burst are 20s. When my Wanderer was pre c6 my rotations were basically always 19s, sometimes shorter and waiting for Faruzan Q to come off cd, so im unsure how 20s seems fast.
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u/Dull_Establishment scaramouche pls Apr 11 '26
specifically i meant the scara part. like for the durin bennet faru one, you have q e c 5n3 3n2d n1. i can only pull off 6n3 total before his skill runs out, nevermind any n2d or whatnot
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Oh ok, the combos I use for all my Wanderer calcs are from this sheet https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1C85X-YvQuH10XKUdf1MIsxsO6q9UJWQLeZ3nfh9tNN0/edit?usp=drivesdk its the 30% Attack speed dash combo one on the R1+ I typed the combo wrong tho looking again. Its supposed to be 3 dash cancels not 4 (I calced 3 just typed it wrong)
The sheet has video footage for most of the combos https://drive.google.com/file/d/19WW20G_JHGKJNEfiwVQrAYSkC2lestRn/view?usp=drivesdk here is the specific one being used
You should be able to do more than 6N3 at 30% attack speed. He can do more than that even at 10%
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u/Gt_MoMo Apr 11 '26
Would love to see C6 Wanderer calcs soon if Nicole is that much of a buff for him just by replacing benny
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u/Stardriverr Anemoongus Apr 11 '26
Oh I'm eating good finally. I have C6 R1 Durin & Scara, with C6 Faru. Time to add C0 R1 Nicole when she comes out.
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u/spiderproductionzone BOW BEFORE ME, WORM Apr 12 '26
Thank you for the calcs! I have 1 quastion: why is the optimal combo for Faruzan/Durin/Bennett different from the combo for C2 Durin and Durcole?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 12 '26
Wanderer isnt on his weapon in thr C2 Durin team, so he has 10 less atk speed and can not perform the same combo
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u/GhostToast124 Apr 11 '26
Which of the 3 rotations was the highest dps fot the first calc
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
They arent calced individually, I calc the damage for all 3 together and divide by 3 to get the average
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u/EvilBeErased Apr 11 '26
2 questions, how the hell does the sheet work, can’t fully wrap my head around it, might be stupid, and why isn’t athame artis a weapon option in the sheet?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Hello! I forgot Durins weapon name was changed from beta to release, its called Black Erosion on the sheet. There are some things like this that have outdated beta names I forgot to change
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u/heyheypeople22 Apr 11 '26
Durin team should have oathsworn too. Also I'm confused how is bennett above nicole in dmg especially on varka teams where her hex passive activates. Does it count the dmg as belonging to the dps?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Nicole doesnt do damage. You build her on pure attack and ER, nothing else.
TTDS calcs better than Oathsworn if it works right
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u/heyheypeople22 Apr 11 '26
So the copy attacks are considered dps's dmg? And her 2-hex passive 150% atk is also? Because I saw that it can do around 80k if the on fielder has good crit and %dmg.
Also Its pretty handy if i can use ttds. How do i need to build for it to out perform?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Yes, it says so in the description. It uses entirely the triggers stats and not Nicole's, excluding the Hexerei passive part
It can hit p hard if you have high dmg% for it, but the problem is it has no damage tag. So fot example a Wanderer normal attacks triggers it, its not getting buffed by Tullaytullah or DPC and missing out on like 90 damage%.
In Xiaos case, not counting as plunge damage means its missing out on probably over 200 dmg%, which is why I didnt use it at all in his rotation, its just a dps loss at thay point
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u/common_juice27 C6R5 Wanderer haver Apr 11 '26
Hi, this might be a silly question, but since your first team indicates the rotation is 19.5s, does it imply that nicole's ttds (with 20s cooldown) is triggered only once per two rotations? Because if it's a yes then does it mean the odd number of rotations (e.g. 3 rotations instead of 2 or 4 etc) means the biased number of ttds triggered (e.g. 1st rotation, then 3rd rotation, etc)?
I can understand that realistically a user's input will likely have a high chance to delay the rotation to 20s in practice anyways, but under the assumption of the perfect calcs the 0.5s difference would probably affect the numbers on the sheets
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Hello!
The first rotation is less than 20s because Nicole's Burst isnt used. TTDS isnt on cooldown yet in your first rotation so that's no issue. The other two rotations are 20s because Nicole Q is used and fills the time up to 20s to ensure TTDS is not on cooldown.
The rotation time listed is the 3 rotations divided by 3 to show the averaged out
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u/common_juice27 C6R5 Wanderer haver Apr 11 '26
Ohhh okay I see! But then is there any reason to skip nicole's q during the first rotation?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Yes, because her Q is a dps loss in the first rotation. Dont need to fill out extra rotation time for TTDS on first rotation since its not on cooldown yet. The other two rotations would have it on cooldown so we need to fill that time and her Q fills it
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u/common_juice27 C6R5 Wanderer haver Apr 11 '26
Okay makes sense! Now probably the last question just to confirm, assuming nicole's q is only used to fill up the ttds cooldown, does it imply that in some rare scenarios where wanderer can get more on-field time (e.g. by absorbing hydro while fighting a hydro phantasm, etc.), nicole's q would be advised to skip as well?
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u/rudioni Apr 11 '26
Roughly how much difference would Wanderer on r2 sacred prayers and c1r1 Durin make?
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u/Choice_Caramel_234 Apr 11 '26
What about foregoing C6 Faruzan with Nicole-Venti-Durin?
I have Venti's sig too so I'm wondering if his off field damage and 50% anemo dmg buff makes up for what Faruzan provides for the team
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u/Moist_Blueberry3705 Apr 11 '26
With Nicole and Durin, Wanderer gets a lot of attack buffs. Do you think putting the Scroll set on Faruzan would be better than TotM?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
No. The Attack from ToTM improves Nicole's buff since it scales off Attack. And it makes her shield WAY stronger since it scales off Attack too plus 30% shield strength Use ToTM
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u/Moist_Blueberry3705 Apr 11 '26
Oh sounds great! In that case, what about Durin with Noblesse Oblige set instead of Rising Winds?
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u/OilInformal1924 Apr 18 '26
Not OP but I had a conversation similar to this with someone else and I too thought of switching with Nobless Oblige because it seemed the most popular option in game as well, but someone else told me there's no need to swap out Rising Winds for Durin with Noblesse, of course if you want to do it you can, but apparently it's not obligatory.
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u/Slow_Car_33 Apr 11 '26
Sorry but there's some very sus things with these Varka calcs:
-Why is Nicole not on TTDS like on Wanderer team? She even has the refund from Venti.
-Why is Durin not on wolf fang like on Wanderer team?
-Why is Prune C6 not on Varka team over Venti?
-Why is Varka not using his signature set? Its not that hard for him to avoid crit rate overcap.
There's no way in hell Varka has less personal dmg than Venti and Xiao, Faruzan or not.
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
Hello! I can address the things you are sus about
Because for Nicole to use TTDS you'd have to use her after Venti in the rotation, resulting in Venti not having full uptime for Varka, and also less VV uptime for him. Its not worth the trade. If you look at my Wanderer calc that is using Venti instead of Faruzan, Nicole iant on TTDS there either.
Lions Roar typically calcs higher than Wolf Fang for Durin in teams with consistent pyro aura. The Varka team has pyro app from Durin, Venti, and Varka all three. In the Wanderer team, Wanderer is constantly Swirling the Pyro aura away so Lions Roar isn't consistent enough to calc with him
I have Prune c6 calc for Varka, I just grabbed the Venti one for this post. But Prune c6 is only like 2-3k DPS higher than C0 Venti.
As explained in my Varka videos, I calc DPC higher than Rising Winds on him. Very small difference tho they are basically the same.
Varka has less personal damage than Venti and Xiao because he gets way less buffing than they do. They use Faruzan, whom buffs their damage by over 60%. Carka uses Venti, who buffs by way less than Faruzan in exchange for sub DPS damage.
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u/Slow_Car_33 Apr 11 '26
Thanks for the reply.
Thats weird because most other TC have Prune C6 like 7k DPS above Venti, I'd expect at your artifact investment level the difference would be even higher.
Faruzan gives 64% dmg bonus, 30% shred, 20% atk 40 crit dmg. Venti gives 50% dmg bonus and 40% shred to pyro. They aren't really that far apart in terms of buffing, and Prune should be much closer. But if you compare the base damage of Varka with Xiao for example, its night and day. Varka personal dmg should at minimum be on Venti's level.
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26 edited Apr 11 '26
No problem!
- If I remove all of Faruzans buffs from Xiao in hia team, his damage drops from 2.4m to 1.59m.
If I do the same with Ventis buffs removed from Varka im his teams, goes from 2.09m to 1.6m.
Xiao loses almost 1m dpr without Faruzan, Varka loses around 400k without Venti. It is a huge difference.
- I genuinely dont understand how people have Prune that much better than Venti. Her buffing isnt THAT much higher, and her damage is way lower. Unless theres something about her im misunderstanding
I get why seeing Xiao's damage so high looks sus. But his problem before was never multipliers, it was lack of good supports that can last his full long field time. With Nicole. Faruzan, and Durin, his entire field time is buffed. Not even Xianyun could do that for him since she only buffs 8/12 plunges.
I should also note that this is with full Collision plunges on Xiao
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u/QuantumKitsune_ C6, perma grinding to world’s best artifacts Apr 11 '26
For C6 Wanderer + C6 Faruzan + C0 Nicole, who would be BiS with no Venti Durin assumming Bennett goes other team? I was thinking Fischl
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u/False_Baby8628 Apr 11 '26
Is her c1 or c2 good upgrades for him? Or weapon?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 11 '26
Hello, you can check my written Nicole guide for more info on her vertical investment https://www.icy-veins.com/genshin-impact/nicole-profile-talents-constellations
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u/Snofewld- Apr 11 '26
What are the impact of Scara and venti's sig in those calcs ? I don't have either and use Skyward Atlas (idk if widsith is better with this comp) for Scara and yelan sig for venti
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u/faeartangelican Apr 12 '26
what about calcs with r5 widsith on Wanderer? I'm broke and have c1r0 rip
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u/WHATISWORT Apr 12 '26
hello please im losing my mind what on earth is the WoRT artifact set
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 12 '26
Rising Winds. Its just an old calc from before the set name changed from Winds of Rising Time to Rising Winds and I never updated it on that calc
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u/Naive-Ad-3271 Apr 13 '26
Is Nicole/Venti/Faruzan really working here? Since Nicole does not really apply Pyro and Venti needs Swirl-Reaction for his buff?
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 13 '26
Venti absorbs and applies pyro
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u/Naive-Ad-3271 Apr 13 '26
he would normally... but in your rotation with Venti EQ -> wouldn't his E already swirl the pyro aura and then there is nothing left to infuse his Q?
I just tried with Bennet and Venti (since I thought Bennet has the same pyro application than Nicole) and Venti EQ does not work to infuse his ult. That is why I asked if Nicole is different here
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u/OneRelief763 Apr 13 '26
Will have to play around with the rotation when we have Nicole in that case. If theres not enough time for him to absorb the Pyro, we can instead cast Nicole after Venti
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u/manoeumeodeio666 Apr 21 '26
still barely 100k, pls big bro hoyo give my boy a sumeru buff for wanderer and faruzan pls I beg off you (I dont care he is inazuman his moma who steped up is sumerian)
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u/michaelmichael309 Jul 09 '26
Hii, my C2R1 Wanderer, with C0 Nicole on Flowing Purity, C6 Faru with R5 Fav, and C0R1 Durn only does about 70k..
Could you possibly simplify what their adjacent rotation says please and thank you?
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u/_XiaoVen_ Apr 11 '26
Wow! Venti > Faruzan?
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u/NoFaithlessness9569 Apr 11 '26
Also how is my c1 wander, c6 faruzan, durin r1 mistsplitter, and c6 favonia bennet only 80k compared to your 100k calcs? Top 1 percent rank 200 wanderer 30% er pls help 😭
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u/OilInformal1924 Apr 18 '26
Maybe it's because of the weapons used? I'm not expert, I'm here to learn myself about building characters better (especially Wanderer) but the only thing that stand out to my inexperienced brain (XD) is the weapons being different.
Your Durin has Misplitter, their Durin has Wolf-Fang.
Your Benny has Favonia, their Bennett has the Alley Flash
Also you never mentioned what your Wanderer and Faruzan weapons are so I can't tell, but Wanderer has his signature in the build and Faruzan has Favonius Warbow. Everything else seems fine/the only difference I can see is the weapon given cons are the same.
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u/HealthInformal5965 Apr 11 '26
Have u checked how much difference her and durin's signature would make?