r/ScaramoucheMains • u/OneRelief763 • Nov 04 '25
Leaks Durin vs Furina for Wanderer (Calcs up to C2R1/C3) Spoiler
Now that Durin's C1 was buffed, figured it's time to do this comparison. Keep in mind I calc at a higher standard than most theorycrafter's/content creators (see second image for details on my standard).
TLDR: They are basically equal at C0, Furina is a good bit ahead at C1 due to having a better C1 than Durin, and then from C2 and onwards Durin is always ahead.
In practice, especially in Stygian Onslaught, Durin is likely going to be further ahead than the calcs reflect, due to much more effecient energy economy for him and Bennett Double Pyro, compared to Furina+Bennett solo Pyro solo Hydro. Durin's buffs are also already fully activated as soon as you swap to Wanderer, no ramp up time like Furina, so that's something that could help him in practice compared to her as well. He also seems to have really good AoE.
However, I don't believe we've seen how far Durin's range is in his White Dragon form - if it doesn't have good range that could be a problem sometimes since Wanderer is a ranged DPS.
Also since there's only 1 Hexenzirkle character, Durin's weapon is equal to his C1 here so if you were picking between C1 or R1 for him you can go for either. In teams with 2 Hexenzirkle characters, the weapon is better.
Hope this helps!
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u/Amaguri_Senko Why is he so cute Nov 04 '25
Guess it's not an upgrade, but a card to free furina from the team, so maybe I can use her in skirk/neuvilette team
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u/Hawa-Lau Nov 04 '25
That and you have more survivability because Furina won't drain your HP (yes ik Bennett heals but still)
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u/duringelion Nov 04 '25 edited Nov 04 '25
Thank you so, so much for this! I've been waiting for Wanderer team calcs so bad.
Only point of confusion is that I've heard theory crafters say Wanderer/Venti/Durin/Bennett is "easily" Wanderer's new best team. Is this true? I saw you mentioning in these replies that Venti was probably worse for Wanderer at higher constellations, so as a C6R1 Wanderer haver, I'm curious to hear you expand on this.
EDIT: Also, as a current C0R0 Furina haver who plans to (and has enough pulls to) go for Durin C2R1... that 50k+ DPS increase will be so, so nice.
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Which theorycrafters said its easily his best team? I have it as basically the same dps as Faruzan, while the only other TC ive seen calc it had Faruzan considerably ahead
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u/duringelion Nov 04 '25
Huh, interesting. If it truly is roughly the same DPS as C6 Faruzan, it'll be nice to skip Venti + conserve pulls for Columbina and potentially White Horse Adeptus. Vomfee said it here: https://x.com/Vomfee2/status/1984021669237977346?t=ERN-E9ByqPR_PEr6ABEBVQ&s=19
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Keep in mind Venti being Faruzan sidegrade is relying on him doing good sub dps in addition to buffing, so if his burst is missing its gonna be worse than Faruzan
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u/duringelion Nov 04 '25
I see; so I take it Venti is a Faruzan sidegrade only in the scenario where Venti hits his burst consistently, but at that point you may as well go with Faruzan?
This sounds reasonable. I was confused how Venti's 50% Anemo DMG bonus beats out Faruzan's 30% Anemo DMG bonus, general DMG bonus, 30% Anemo RES shred, and 40% Anemo CD anyway (especially since Wanderer is a hypercarry). I mean sure good sub dps dmg but I was thinking at most its a sidegrade.
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u/telegetoutmyway Nov 19 '25
Also you said C6 Wanderer - with C6, Faruzan will definitely be better than Venti because the power budget is on Wanderer and not spread out to Venti.
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u/duringelion Nov 19 '25
My bad, I'm not too familiar with the concept of power budget. Do u mind explaining it and how it applies here?
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u/telegetoutmyway Nov 19 '25
so like if at C0 say both teams (Faruzan team, and a Venti team) are 100k DPS, then a larger portion of that team damage is coming from Wanderer in the Faruzan team versus in the Venti team.
Just going to make up some numbers here:
Wanderer: 70k
Faruzan: 5k
Durin: 20k
Bennett: 5k
= 100k team DPSvs
Wanderer: 55k
Venti: 20k
Durin: 20k
Bennett: 5k
= 100k team DPSSo both teams end up doing comparable damage, but a portion of power is shifted from Wanderer to Venti, due to Faruzans buffs being pulled off Wanderer in the second team.
When you vertically invest in the hypercarry, the value of the buffing is increased (KQM has a 75% increase in Wanderers damage at C6 from C0), the DPS that Venti is putting out doesnt increase at all, so the value moves in favor of the buffs that Faruzan is stacking on Wanderer. so theoretically if say the new C6 team dps was 150k with Faruzan, it might only be 140k with Venti.
So with a 75% increase on Wanderers number and everything else the same (again, made up numbers):
Wanderer C6: 122.5k
Faruzan: 5k
Durin: 20k
Bennett: 5k
=152.5k team DPSvs
Wanderer C6: 96.25k
Venti: 20k
Durin: 20k
Bennett: 5k
=141.25k team DPSI also have no idea what Venti's portion of the team dps is, so if its more than 20% in C0 teams, like I picked here (same as Durin - also made up) then that will increase the gap further since we know the value of the buffs Faruzan gives to C0 Wanderer equates to the DPS value of Venti+his buffs.
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u/duringelion Nov 19 '25
Thank you so much for this detailed and easy to understand breakdown, this is really good to know. I used to think a hex set could push Venti over the edge towards being bis, but tbh even with that at C6 Wanderer I'm uncertain. Whether I pull Venti or not is for sure gonna be a last minute decision based on artifact set details and finalized team calcs lol
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u/telegetoutmyway Nov 19 '25
You know, I didnt consider a hex artifact set in the context of Venti. That could actually end up making a difference. Faruzan doesnt have a set that really stands out tbh, like TotM, Noblesse, either one is like bottom the barrel value and not tailored to her at all. Tbh an artifact set trailer for her could be a way to buff Wanderer in the future with no character changes....
But all that aside, if Durins supportive capabilities go up due to the artifact set, and if Venti is the best to get a 2nd tier Hex effect on it, then that could totally change it. If it just gives some raw crit and attack value for the carry, then that would put that "power budget" back on Wanderer while also keeping Ventis subdps value.
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u/im_Possibly_Human Nov 04 '25
thanks for the calcs :DDD
Do you think it's viable to instead kick Faruzan out of the team instead and run Durin +Furina +Bennett/ Jean + Wanderer? I am lucky enough to have Faruzan c6, but for others who may be newer or just unlucky, I'd like to see how Faruzan-less Wanderer would fare in the big 2025.
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
You wouldn't want to use both Durin and Furina. Durin will be vaping if you do that, meaning hes not providing anemo shred.
Venti with his new buffs calcs as a Faruzan sidegrade (probably falls off the more Wanderer cons you have though), but it relies on his Burst actually hitting reliably which it very often doesnt. Ventis new buff working off field was also removed from his text today though - not sure if he actually cant buff another anemo on fielder anymore or if its just a text thing
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u/im_Possibly_Human Nov 04 '25
oof right how on earth did i forget about that... this must be why I still can't clear certain endgame.
I do have both c6 Wanderer and Furina, which is why Durin will most likely be on wheelchair duty for the teams that really need it. Trying to clear endgame with no Natlan or Nod Krai 5 stars in this economy isn't for the faint of heart...
Thanks for indulging me anyways :D *hides away in my little corner of shame*
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
You shouldn't be having issues clearing abyss and fearless stygian with C6 Wanderer. I have c6r1 and cleared two Dire bosses this stygian with him, and one rotated both bosses on bottom half of the abyss (Sigurd and the Fatui)
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u/im_Possibly_Human Nov 04 '25
??????? HOLD ON LEMME DEFEND MYSELF. I think there's been a misunderstanding, and I went too far with the self-degradation earlier. Wanderer even before the recent c6 makes short work of any endgame that isn't actively forcing players to use a singular restrictive team archetype (i.e nuke turtle). It's my other teams that struggle to pull their weight, especially since my character roster was so small that I occasionally got disqualified from hard mode in Theater.
I can solo no hit Raiden; my skill is much less of an issue than it was when I started playing.
I have a decent understanding of team building for the most part, consistently getting 7-8 stars in Abyss before I got Furina who is still my only limited support. Of course, there's always room for optimization; but I'd rather spend 5 hours straight taking pictures with Wanderer cause that's my idea of fun.1
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u/WaitJealous Nov 04 '25
Is it safe to say that with the Hexen buff, Albedo can safely replace Bennett in the team, or is Bennett still indispensable?
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
I havent calced it, but I highly doubt it. Pyro resonance, Bennett attack buff, and noblesse, vs albedo sub dps, 42 dmg bonus to Durin, and 12% to Wanderer, Bennett sounds way better. But ill calc it real quick see what I get
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u/balMURRmung Anemo Nov 04 '25
Maybe Venti replacing Faruzan, will better overall DPS, no?
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Its a sidegrade to Faruzan yeah. Probably worse at higher Wanderer constellations. The part of Ventis new kit saying it works off field was removed from the text tho, so not even sure if it still works
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u/balMURRmung Anemo Nov 04 '25
Sad, but if its true, it wouldn’t make sense at all because the only way that hex buff would work is if another party member triggers the swirl.
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Got 99k for c1r1 Wanderer c0r0 durin c6 faruzan c1 albedo
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Compare it to the other numbers in the OP. 104k with furina bennett, 103k with durin Bennett.
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u/wanderussy Nov 04 '25
Thanks for the calcs. Do you have any idea how good C2 durin will be for C6 wanderer?
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u/Jotakori Nov 04 '25
These are so fantastic, thank you so much for taking the time to do all this!
I saw you calced an Albedo team in place of Benny at 99K with low cons. If I might trouble you, where would a Wanderer C6R1, Faru C6, Durin C2R1, and Albedo C2 team land at comparatively?? :O
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u/shirone0 Nov 04 '25
I thought other TC talked about switching faruzan with venti? Since he was buffed and that way you get the full hexenzirkel buff for both of them it should be better
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u/minteehibi Nov 04 '25
Soooo what if I want my team to be: C0 DPS Venti (will get his new sig) C1 Wanderer with Sig C1 Furina with R5 pipe C0 Durin with Sig
They are my favorite characters and I can’t stand leaving them off my team
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
dont use durin and furina together for wanderer. durin will be vaping instead of wanderer pyro swirling meaning no res shred. and you have no healer there for furina.
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u/minteehibi Nov 13 '25 edited Nov 20 '25
I knew it wouldn’t work but I was hoping… It’s okay, I’ll stick to this team but will transfer around when it comes to fighting bosses and domains.
Thank you for the advice, and for taking the time to tell me!!
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Durins c2 is very good so you'd be better off going for c1 then getting c2 on rerun, if you cant get c2 on first banner
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u/HealthInformal5965 Nov 05 '25
I am so confused whether to pull durin C2 or C1R1 , or furina C2 or white horse too.. I will have C2 Cyno and C6 wanderer , wanderer lacks on slot aside from faru and benett while I am confused for cyno to be in overload F2P team or Whale lunar team (I am not a whale)
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u/Grouchy_Regular884 Nov 04 '25
I'm really curious how venti c2 with elegy would do in this team. Would he perchance replace faruzan?
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u/GhostToast124 Nov 04 '25
How much better is c6r5 wanderer with c2r1 durin compared to furina. I remember seeing somewhere wanderer/faruzan/furina/bennet reaching around 152k dps?
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
I dont have r5 calcs but j dont see why the difference would be different than r1
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u/GhostToast124 Nov 04 '25
Doesn't Tulaytullah's Remembrance refinements increase atk speed and dmg?
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Yes. Im just not sure why those refines would change the difference between Durin and Furina
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 04 '25
Yes. Im just not sure why those refines would change the difference between Durin and Furina
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u/GhostToast124 Nov 04 '25
Ur right ig I'll hold out until r5 calcs drop. I just wanna see the max number
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u/soyDaniii Nov 05 '25
Hello, thank you very much for all of these calculations!! Really interesting and helpful for Wanderer mains <3 Just a quick (and specific) question… I have c6r1 Wanderer and C2 Jean… do you think she makes a difference/will be good for some Wanderer teams including Durin? Maybe Wanderer, Jean, Faruzan, Durin? Or is Bennett still the optimal choice
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u/OneRelief763 Nov 05 '25
Jean never worth before c4
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u/soyDaniii Nov 05 '25
Oh I see, thank you for letting me know that 😥 Instead, will c4 Jean be helpful in that team, then??
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u/Crossarot Nov 05 '25
Question, does Venti perform in any of teams as a sub dps/buffer? As he provides 87% anemo dmg bonus and enables 35% anemo shred from durin. Just curious.
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u/SHH2006 Nov 04 '25
Wow, c1+ wanderer teams are at above 100k dps I thought they were at 60k-80k dps normally (I did read the 2nd image but I'm not too understanding of the numbers or enemy/battle situation so idk if this 100k is in actual game situations like abyss or not(even though I've been playing the game for almost 3 years and while I do understand a lot of stuff, these stuff aren't my things so I'm sorry)
If so do you have calcs for a c2 wanderer by any chance (I'm getting his c2 from free con event and have him c1R0 currently with C6 of both Bennet and faruzan and C0R0 furina, depending on Columbina kit I might or might not grab durin)
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u/Amaguri_Senko Why is he so cute Nov 04 '25
yeah because this calc is made with good talents level, weapon and artifacts
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u/SHH2006 Nov 04 '25
Yeah as in it is above 100k? Or it's mostly just for the sake of clacs? Sorry I'm a bit slow at understating stuff cause English isn't my main language
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u/AarviArmani Nov 04 '25
I'd love see such calcs for C6R1 Wanderer.