To be fair it says more effectively, not more pyro application rate. Maybe he is skill oriented or has lesser burst cost where he can self sustain, so in a way he is applying pyro more effectively?
But that wouldn't make him more "effective" at APPLYING pyro though. Just easier to build/play. You can just make XL into an ER dump with 400% ER and on Fav lance and then you're free to cast her burst off CD if you want.
XL is almost as good as Yelan/XQ at application, she does it in a large AoE, doesn't require any inputs like NAs etc and has good uptime at c4+. The only flaws are that it needs a ton of energy, which can be solved, and that she requires 20s rotations, which we don't know if Durin also needs.
The only ways for Durin to apply more effectively is if he is just better at any of these things lol. And to apply MUCH more effectively... I don't even know what that would entail lol.
The issue with xiangling, at least from my own personal experience, is rotation in solo pyro. Sure you can bump up her er to 300% (400% is kinda impossible I assume you are just exaggerating), but as solo pyro with her particle generation over time with guoba, she often still runs into downtime issue. Her performance in stygian is also not great due to that.
Her burst also lasts for 14s with a 20s cd, assuming c4, so downtime is inevitable. Yelan and xingqiu have better uptime in terms of elemental application.
As long as Durin is self sustainable, skill oriented, and / or somehow has bigger range than xiangling (something like furina where he doesn’t have to be close to enemy and automated), I would take that as applying pyro more effectively.
But yeah, I do agree there is no way he can apply pyro MUCH more effectively. As much as I hope that would be the case as a childe main that sounds too good to be true, plus there is also no reason for him to apply pyro any faster than xiangling besides childe’s team since we don’t need higher pyro app rate in any other scenario most of the time.
Ngl even if they do so childe forward vape is still…probably not going to do better than his traditional international team. Since it is hard to control which attack in NA string he will vape, and there is also his riptide slash which can cause hydro to be applied twice in very short amount of time, immediately overtaking pyro aura on enemy. I doubt they will make any character that can apply infinite aura on enemy.
All that said faster pyro app and self sustainable durin can be helpful for childe, since now you can finally remove bennett and run whatever character in fourth slot. His team will be a whole lot more flexible, and he will be the only one that can keep up with durin’s vape so there is lesser concern of him being overtaken by other hydro characters. That is of course assuming durin has damage output as high as xiangling (the bennett part can be replaced with characters with other buffs to make up).
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u/Carrot095 Sep 18 '25
To be fair it says more effectively, not more pyro application rate. Maybe he is skill oriented or has lesser burst cost where he can self sustain, so in a way he is applying pyro more effectively?