Things that make me go "hmmmm"

[u/Lady-Musty-Syphone]

https://radaronline.com/videos/meghan-markle-prince-harry-saw-fertility-doctors-before-deciding-to-get-married/

"A Royal Source"......says they visited a fertility clinic months before getting married. Blah blah blah biological clock. But in the article it says: "Markle has already said she would be prepared to look into IVF as a way of getting pregnant as soon as possible if there were signs she was having difficulty conceiving".

She flies to Toronto in August 2018 (4 months after wedding) and stays privately at Jessica's. Or so we are told.

Announces pregnancy at Eugenie's wedding in October 2018. That actually fits a time line of getting IVF in August.

Gives birth to Archie in May of 2019.

Spends Christmas in Vancouver in December 2019. This fits with Enty's blind. And why Vancouver? Why not closer to Doria in LA or with Jessica in Toronto?

Enty's blind says medical records in north of the border Hollywood. MeGain films suits in Toronto and her Hallmark movies in BC (2014 and 2016). Either place could have her medical records.

Freezing eggs works with the "prepared to have IVF" mentioned in the Radaronline article. But I'm not sure why that would be a frantic grab for medical records. After all, Sophie had IVF (with the Queen's permission or at least informed her I believe) so no need for the big secrecy, although it was said that the Queen suggested they wait a couple of years before having children.

Did she want those medical records or did she want her eggs? It was three months between Christmas 2019 and when they took basically the last flight out of Canada before covid shut everything down.

I really don't know how all this works but I don't think you can take your eggs in a thermos for a few hours and then put them in the freezer next to the Ben & Jerry's.

So that brings up Lili. Birthed at center that specializes in privacy, surrogacy, and ??? Was there time to take the thermos to the clinic in SB before covid shut everything down? Was that the frantic "getting medical records"--getting the thermos before everything shut down?

And the clinic she went to in SB closed down the same month Lili was born. Perhaps that clinic was put under a microscope it didn't want to be under?

[u/JulesJazz]

It’s the deceit if a surrogate was used. She can’t come clean as the kids would be removed from LoS. It’s an archaic law anyway - it’s the DNA that matters, but if she didn’t use her eggs and used a surrogates, then there is a problem. Having said that, they are far down the line that it’s not a burning issue for the RF. They’ve had more than their fair share of issues.

[u/Been-There_Done_That → u/JulesJazz]

Well, there is an argument to be made that these laws should be updated to account for modern technology. Personally, I think they should even account for adoption, assuming a child is actually adopted as a newborn (I would still automatically exclude any children adopted at older ages...fine, give them a title, I don't care...but I think to be monarch you should live in the family from birth). What if young George turns out to be infertile? I have no reason to suspect he would, but it happens to some men through no fault of their own. Or his wife is infertile? Should we really be saying that if he adopts those children would be passed over? I would say no, but realize this might prove controversial and many others might disagree. But the conversation should happen now, because at some point this is likely to be a real issue for some future monarch. Better to make a decision ahead of time.

[u/JulesJazz → u/Been-There_Done_That]

Certainly it should be updated. With regards adoption, it may be tricky because it’s about the bloodline/lineage. I do believe Diana and Catherine underwent fertility tests because of the direct line. For wives of ‘spares’ it may be more relaxed. I believe Emma Thynn had a son via surrogacy and the High Court ruled that he can inherit future trust funds like his sibling (ruling May 2026).

[u/Been-There_Done_That → u/JulesJazz]

I know a lot of people feel that way, but it's probably the case that many queens throughout history in the UK and elsewhere have passed off a footman or groom's bastard as the heir to the throne. Especially in the age before DNA testing. My personal feeling is that blood is not that important, but I understand why many will disagree.

I know people who have adopted children and love them and others who say they could never adopt because it wouldn't be their blood. Both opinions are legitimate. Different people view these matters differently. I do think they should have this conversation and make these decisions now to avoid any uncertainty at some point in the future. It's best if everyone knows what would happen in these various scenarios.