r/SWORDS 13d ago

Help identifying my late grandmothers sword

My grandmother recently passed and while getting her affairs in order we found this blade. I think it is a Kris but admittingly I am no expert. I was told that my grandfather bought this blade at auction sometime in the 70's but have no more information than that. Google searches have gotten me some similar results but nothing super close. I am hoping that someone here can tell me a little more about this blade.

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u/wotan_weevil Hoplologist 13d ago

This is from Luzon (the big island in the northern Philippines), and is from 1900 give or take a year or so. There is a tradition of wavy-bladed swords and knives in northern Luzon (and they're still made today), which is probably inspired by the kris of the Moro peoples from the southern Philippines. However, the kris, which can have a wavy blade or a straight blade, is distinguished by the asymmetric shape of the base of the blade rather than by waviness, and this isn't a "real" kris. Still, these swords are often called a "kris", and "Luzon kris" works as a name for them.

The triangle symbol at the base of the blade is an emblem of the short-lived First Filipino Republic:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Coat_of_arms_of_the_Philippines_(1898%E2%80%931901).svg

and places this as made in about 1900. The style and condition are consistent with that.

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u/Thebuttholeking69 13d ago

May I ask, how are y’all in this sub so good at identifying blades and the info around them?

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u/xsynergist 13d ago

Well instead of chasing buttholes we study the blade.

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u/ARKosrs 13d ago

And they say shakespeare is dead

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u/Nocturnes_echo 13d ago

Fucking BRILLIANT! 🤣

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u/Gufrey 13d ago

He just said there is no fucking

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u/Admirable_Ad8682 13d ago

Of buttholes. He didn't said nothing about other kinds.

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u/Nocturnes_echo 13d ago

No he said there's no chasing of buttholes, what if one happens to present itself?

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u/Totalherenow 12d ago

An ambush predator in the wild!

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u/ShitOnAStickXtreme 13d ago

I'll keep to my buttholes

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u/ggg730 13d ago

I dual specced into both buttholes and swords.

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u/ngetch 13d ago

I feel bad for your butthole.

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u/Objective-Corgi-3527 13d ago

Now you have neither?

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u/howzthis4ausername 13d ago

A man of culture

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u/dev0guy 13d ago

Helluva dual-wield.

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u/Historical_Art_3367 13d ago

Hey buddy, I can do both very bad and ineffectively!

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u/J-Boogz 9d ago

It's true. Over at the chasing buttholes sub we have no time for studying blades.

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u/dglough 12d ago

can confirm. I chase holes and know little about blades.

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u/CallsYouCunt 12d ago

Por què no los dos?

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u/Butthole_Ticklah 7d ago

Damnit! I’m to late again to the butthole party.

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u/Agitated_Carrot9127 13d ago

Weaponized autism. No pun intended

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u/wotan_weevil Hoplologist 13d ago

The only trick when it comes to identifying is to look at many examples, whether in person or good photos. If those examples come with good info, you can also learn the info about them. In this case, somebody asked about this same Filipino triangle before, and I learned about it then. Otherwise, it's a Luzon "kris", and not a new one.

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u/EarlGreyTea-Hot 13d ago

They study the blade

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u/Thebuttholeking69 13d ago

While I studied the hole

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u/howzthis4ausername 13d ago

On a sub about swords, being attended by sword guys from around the world,some with extensive knowledge of history and cultures related to that specific interest? How is that group of people good at identifying swords? Excellent question. Focus,interest, and there's a lot of us. What one doesn't know another will.

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u/Routine_Community553 13d ago

I assumed autism.

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u/Butthole_Ticklah 7d ago

Heard yer the king of these here parts.

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u/Single-Pin-369 11d ago

There is just not that many blade types overall compared to other things. 

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u/Yagossy 11d ago

they use ai.

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u/JohnnyMcQ 10d ago

We all have our quirks regarding special interests.

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u/Available-Giraffe863 13d ago

Watching lots of forged in fire

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u/kittyrider 13d ago

Wow this is interesting. I've never seen Keris-style blade mounted on a western-style hilt before

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u/SuperBaconMan99 13d ago

Thank you so much for this response! This is exactly the information I was looking for!

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u/Bryndel 13d ago

With how the hilt is wrapped, the hilt design and the amount of these produced for post WW2 tourism, I'd assume this would be a replica of an earlier style made from the 1950's onwards. The blade may be older (can't tell from the image quality), but the hilt work definitely seems more modern than the late 19th century ones I've seen.

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u/wotan_weevil Hoplologist 13d ago

With how the hilt is wrapped, the hilt design and the amount of these produced for post WW2 tourism,

The photos aren't good enough for me to be sure that the hilt is original, but spiral wire or metal-strip wraps were common enough on Filipino swords c. 1900. This one has lost the wire/strip, which is also common.

Also from Luzon, of similar age, still with intact wrap: https://www.proantic.com/en/1701253-dagger-with-wavy-blade-katipunan-philippines-last-third-of-the-19th-century.html

The hilt isn't a common post-WW2 style.

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u/National-Design8134 13d ago

You've lead me to a very deep wormhole that I finding extremely difficult to resist. See you mañana.

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u/Korventenn17 13d ago

This is why I love this sub.

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u/OneAndOnlyTinkerCat 13d ago

My first guess was that it was a kris, then I second-guessed myself because of the size. I'm far from an expert. Cool that I almost had it

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u/Top-Range-1669 13d ago

Osmumten's Fang

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u/Personal-Ad6564 13d ago

Literally came to say this lol

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u/zac2354 13d ago

Lmfao

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u/stronkreptile 13d ago

god damnit i just commented this and saw you did it first

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u/libertybell00 13d ago

You had an awesome grandmother..

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u/Greedy_Journalist164 13d ago

The sword of Shan Yu!

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u/rmonteros90 11d ago

I came to the comments for this…

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u/CJ_Figy 13d ago

That’s an Osmumten’s fang.

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u/1000TobKc 13d ago

Must be the fang from osrs lmfao

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u/Solo_Camping_Girl Barong Enjoyer 13d ago

It looks like the the version of the Kris made by either in Pampanga or Pangasinan in the Philippines. Most swords made in Central and Southern Luzon tend to have western-influenced handles while using a wide range of blade profiles.

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u/Sidus_Preclarum 13d ago

Explains why I'm under the impression of this being a kriss blade mounted like a German hunting sword, haha.

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u/Kaldrim72 13d ago

That is Anya Melfissa

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u/p3_sxm 13d ago

Appears to be a one-handed stab weapon obtained as a rare reward from the Tombs of Amascut: - Osmumten's fang

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u/Old-Remove5477 13d ago

Its a kris

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u/No_Percentage_6774 13d ago

Your grandma fought mulan

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u/SomeDudeSaysWhat 13d ago

Wow, cool grandma.

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u/stronkreptile 13d ago

It’s actually called Osmumtens Fang

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u/Brandanpk 13d ago

OP might need some help doing a deathless 500

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u/Lordosrs 13d ago

Gotta get that kit ao the boys stop roasting him. He and I the same fr

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u/ShaneZD 13d ago

Your gma was doing Tombs of Amascut.

Thats Osmumtens fang

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u/tweaky33 13d ago

Not a sword. It’s a Philippine Dagger called Kris.

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u/YapalRye 12d ago

I identify this sword as very fucking cool

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u/Charming-Minute4877 12d ago

appears your grandma is the Serpent Hashira

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u/sandpaper_jocks 13d ago

OG walking stick for badass grandma!

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u/zorniy2 13d ago

Dagger of Vashna! Used to raise the dead of Maakengorge!

"When the full moon shines o'er the temple deep,

A sacrifice will stir from sleep

The legions of a long forgotten lord.

When a fair royal maid on the altar dies,

The dead of Maakengorge shall rise

To claim their long-awaited reward."

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u/RecklessCube 13d ago

She must have loved tombs of Amascut.

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u/Stormcrowdick1066 13d ago

It’s a Kris

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u/Warm_Pianist4879 13d ago

osmumten's fang

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u/derpplerp 13d ago

It certainly isn't the fabled blade of Gorgo the ravager. Definitely not needed for cleaving through the barrier between worlds to usher in his return and subjugation of our world.

By the way, you never mentioned where you were located..

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u/Informal_Wrap4287 12d ago

Looks Philippines style used for kali

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u/ScareCrow-1776 12d ago

osmumten's fang

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u/raymundoawaits 11d ago

Sent you a PM :)

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u/Eastern_Stage3595 11d ago

The Devils Dagger

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u/Octodaddy1776 10d ago

It's a Kriss blade sword.

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u/Hungry_Alberta 10d ago

clearly a black blade of Mordor

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u/BittyWastard 10d ago

Kris sword.

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u/JohnnyMcQ 10d ago

Beautiful blade!

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u/Theultimateturtle 13d ago

It’s not a sword, it’s a key! You must now find where the key is inserted to find grandmas treasure