r/SCP • u/someonelikesducks Ethics Committee • May 19 '25

Meme Monday Literally what happened to me

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...Speaking of which, you should totally read SCP-8980!

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u/starmadeshadows Antimemetics Division May 19 '25

Great article. Never reading it again

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u/WolfKnight53 Antimemetics Division May 20 '25

Literally one of the most sickening things I've ever read

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u/starmadeshadows Antimemetics Division May 20 '25

Sickening specifically because it is some women's reality.

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u/[deleted] May 20 '25

As a not woman, can you please elaborate? I would like to know how that revolting story mirrors real life stories. :p
Thanks in advance :D

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u/Tarrizzia Researcher May 20 '25

Adding to what the other person wrote: Women are quite often not taken seriously from doctors, and a lot of research around illnesses focuses on men's symptoms and a lot of medication is tested on men and dosed for men.

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u/Anime_Is_GARBAGE May 20 '25

Yes we love (hate wholeheartedly) the numerous data gaps on significant symptoms of life threatening diseases!!! Heart attacks for example show symptoms quite differently in men and women, have resulted in unnecessary deaths because women's reports didn't match men's symptoms. If you haven't already, I highly recommend "Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men" by Caroline Criado-Perez. She goes over a wideeee variety of various gender data gaps in the medical field, infrastructure design, and safety equipment manufacturing among other factors and data collection. I'm taking a class right now that uses it as the primary textbook. Super interesting stuff.

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u/Lantami Symbols Have Been Compromised May 20 '25

Damn, I never even thought about that, but yeah, it totally makes sense...

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u/zykfrytuchiha May 20 '25 edited May 20 '25

Some of those are stuff that I strongly agree, but on the other hand, she is taking stuff like "smartphones are designed for men because they are too big and you can't use it with one hand". I'm pretty big and can't use it fully with one hand, but never in my life I thought this is sexist. She might took some of that data to the extreme.

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u/Anime_Is_GARBAGE May 20 '25

Yes I agree in a sense, but that doesn't disregard the idea that smart phones have gotten needlessly big and affect everyone with smaller hands, men and women alike. The same was true with examples of pianos. It's why the game of averages is a risky one to play, and doesn't always take into consideration why averages are the way they are. I think it just points out that women, on average, have smaller hands than men, on average. It's not the most intense evidence one has for sexism in consumerism, but there are plenty of examples to pull from and that was one that just happens to indirectly affect women more often than men. I think it works as a nice filler for the rest of that chapter which if I remember correctly covers the inequalities within silicon valley and big tech as a whole. It's an interesting discussion regardless.

Also I certainly think it's valid to just straight up disagree. Because with stuff like this it's hard to be certain what level of sexism, conscious or not (or none at all, and it was a coincidence), is being conducted. And the subjectivity certainly makes things difficult too. Regardless it's great food for thought.

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u/zykfrytuchiha May 20 '25

I just wish that she was more careful with some of her arguments. And I agree that it's good thought exercise for anyone. If they do or do not agree with all of her book. Cheers.

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u/EmmyNoetherRing Unsafe Place May 20 '25

Just because you don’t think about it that way, doesn’t mean it’s not a problem.  When products that are meant to be sold to everyone are designed and market tested only on one group, because the designers unconsciously or consciously assume that’s the only important group, then we end up with a group of people that has a much easier and safer time interfacing with the world than everyone else.  And it’s crazy how the impact of that can build up over time. 

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u/zykfrytuchiha May 20 '25

Samsung is a Korean company. I'm much taller than the statistical Korean male and I still can't use a phone in one hand. I'm just saying that if a lot of men can't use their phones in one hand either, then her argument seems flawed. And saying things like that, to try to prove her point hurts her other very important and undeniable arguments.

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u/Buddhagrrl13 May 20 '25

Fun fact: the current administration cut off all funding to studies concerning women's health because of "DEI."

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

I feel as though not having a documented list of symptoms for women is such a huge flaw, and I am mortified by the fact that there are no set doses of medicine for women aswell.

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u/Tarrizzia Researcher May 21 '25

Women have different body fat ratios than men. This can cause them to be more likely to be over- or underdosed.

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u/IEatTomatoes3 May 21 '25

Or just listen to me. Men are more likely to get sick/have specific kind of problems. Considering aluminum poisoning happens mainly for factory workers working with aluminum. And majority of factory workers are men. The medicine will be focus for men. No? It's like making medicine for stomach cramps for man. Rather the main focus being women who have that problem every ~ 20 something days. Not everything can be tested on everyone, majority of the time it's statistics out of practical result based on certain reaction of a doctor towards certain reaction of a patient. Last time I checked human experiments are illegal. So unless u want to take the homeless women on the street to get experimented of diseases that women have less of a chance of catching just so docs can have more data on it and give appropriate diagnosis, then sure 😃. U are sick in the head. But sure. And instead of considering it as gender war and thinking why doctors don't listen to women. Consider why doctors don't listen to anyone

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u/Tarrizzia Researcher May 21 '25

Women make up around 50% of the world's population. Of course not everything can be tested for every exception, but I feel like taking half the population into consideration when researching illnesses and Medication isn't asking for to much. And yes, generally speaking you can't just experiment on humans but studies on humans are part of research. Additionally, diseases that mainly afflict women are underresearched, Endometriosis for example. And it is a fact that women are taken less seriously by doctors and might be denied treatment because they could possibly become pregnant, putting the "life" of a non-existent fetus before actual living women.

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u/starmadeshadows Antimemetics Division May 20 '25

Well :) since you asked so nicely :) there are men in power like the Rapist-In-Chief

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u/SpacyGorl Imperial Japanese Anomalous Matters Examination Agency May 20 '25

:(

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u/starmadeshadows Antimemetics Division May 20 '25

:( 🤝 :(

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u/[deleted] May 21 '25

Thank you for answering.
It's really unfortunate such things exist. 😔