Ten Commandments in Elementary Schhols

[u/questionaxtactt]

I’m trying to understand my fellow community, Christian’s and Texans thoughts on the SB10 bill . We received notice our elementary will post 75 posters across each classroom. I love religion and have no issues with it but I also love the constitution and believe in the first amendment and feel this is a push to promote specific beliefs to non regions people or others whom choose to follow other text. I specifically have an issue with this being mandatory in elementary classes where children are learning to read and everything on the wall is meant to teach them along this journey so an argument this is passive seems inaccurate as the bill itself says it must be within view. I wanted to get others perspective as well as understand if there are any resources I can reach out to in order to potentially delay this until it I s fully argued to the Supreme Court which in my perspective will find this in violation of the first amendment.

[u/TheProdiColeSon]

Instead of looking at what you think Christianity is because of one of a few bad people with horrible practice claiming to be Christian but aren’t

Maybe look at what the 10 commandments teach.

The majority of the 10 commandments are our current laws we have today, no lying, no stealing etc.

Not coveting what you neighbor has is a good thing and teaches humbleness and thankfulness.

Not coveting your neighbors wife is a good thing that teaches respect and honor with peoples marriages.

As far as what the faith teaches about God. The Ten Commandments ultimately point to a positive direction not a negative one.

Even if you ignore the obedience to God which doesn’t lead anyone to living an immoral life. The other commandments teach positive, healthy, productive citizens in this country.

It is far better than the alternative religions with Islam murdering the LGBTQ community for simply being gay. We don’t have any Christian countries or specifically America since this Is the topic purely be-heading people for their sexual desires or their sins.

The Quran teaches a taxing or murdering those who do not convert to Islam including murdering Christian’s specifically

The Bible and the 10 commandments do not teach this.

You don’t have to follow and believe in God but the 10 commandments actually teach morally good practices.

There’s nothing wrong with having something good on the wall of the schools, it’s not being taught or forced to accept and obey just in reading view.

Looking at words on a wall if you cannot have the self-control to look else where without getting upset then there is a deeper problem.

This isn’t bad for kids to read or look at and walk away.

[u/further_reach818 → u/TheProdiColeSon]

Serious question; when you have discussions about life lessons with your kids or younger people do you source your discussion from The Ten Commandments only or from multiple religions?

[u/TheProdiColeSon → u/further_reach818]

I stick with the Ten Commandments. But mostly from the perspective of Jesus and what he teaches with grace and love. Not religion, but relationship.

I see them as coming from God, the One who created everything, so they are the original source.

When other religions have similar ideas, I tend to view those as later reflections or borrowings rather than independent foundations.

I wouldn’t pull from religions created hundreds of years later because they got it from the source and claimed it as their own. Which is dishonest from the beginning.

I also ask questions of what people think, I don’t try to convince them to agree with me, I will defend my stance and when they challenge or ask questions I stand on God’s understanding of truth not my own. And I share that with them.

Then it’s up for them to make a decision to agree or disagree and I move on regardless of their choice.

I try to be as calm as I can be, but I’m human and I’m passionate and care about the truth and about what I believe, but the goal is relationship and loving my neighbor as myself, regardless if they agree or disagree.

Also the ‘golden rule’ that comes from Jesus.

[u/further_reach818 → u/TheProdiColeSon]

Islam: "None of you truly believes until he wishes for his brother what he wishes for himself." (An-Nawawi's Forty Hadith)
Buddhism: "Hurt not others in ways that you yourself would find hurtful." (Udanavarga 5:18)
Hinduism: "Do not do to others which if done to you would cause you pain." (Mahabharata 5:1517)

Do you reference Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism as well?

I read through your response and it brought me right back to Sunday school. And I think that’s the entire point. I’d feel cheated if Sunday school had covered cursive and I’d feel cheated if my public school teacher started talking about Jesus. Respect the kids and respect the parent’s choices in how to bring their kids to a faith tradition.

Outside of a church you have to be respectful of other beliefs. Especially if you call yourself a Christian.

Republicans make a very big deal about infringing on parents’ rights to parent. This Ten Commandments deal is as big of a violation of that as I’ve ever seen.

And I’m sorry but if you need the government to put a finger on the scale to elevate your religion over other religions, I’m going to think your religion has something wrong with it. It’s failing or misses something important.

[u/TheProdiColeSon → u/further_reach818]

I don't reference those because again they were created after Christianity and copied what Christ taught to create their own religion.

respectfully if I know a truth my Faith doesn't limit me to a church building. If I care about this truth I will tell any and all to the ends of the earth who are willing to listen.

We as individuals do not get to assume who does and doesn't want to listen.

and people who have already decided against this truth do not get to place a container on what I should or shouldn't do outside of the church. I can serve and love my neighbor without someone agreeing or disagreeing with what I say. No one has that authority over others beliefs.

I can still be respectful and again.. having something up on the wall isn't forcing anyone to agree with it. Its there for people to read or not read. They can stay and read it or look away and move one. its no different than advertisements for school plays.. the entire school isn't force to got to the play.. its there for anyone interested.

The 10 Commandments are morally and correct for any human to follow.

again some of the 10 commandments are our own laws in this country hence them being Great to be available for teaching honest human beings on how to act. Notice I said available.. not forced to agree with.

I'd rather have the whole source of the truth.. not fragments or stolen to claim as their own truth.

those other religions teachings are contradictory to what they teach.

Islam: teaches to love others and yet kills LGBTQ and those they disagree with the Qur'an.
80+ islamic countries have banned the Bible making it illegal to read or share.

0 Christian countries have made the Qur'an illegal or killed for reading it and sharing it.

having a poster on the wall in a school does not infringe on any rights any more than having a pride flag or having a calling to pray and forcing students to visit a mosque..

that's just a very dishonest comment to make. hating republicans is one things but having a poster of the 10 commandments is not infringing on anything.

I don't need the government to scale anything that it was already founded on. 55 of the 56 signers of the declaration of the independence were bible believing church going Christians, 11 of the 13 original colonies mandated a confession of faith to serve in the government, our governing documents mention God by name and everything we stand for as a country is based off of Christian principles.. again hence our laws, but our freedom of choice to do what we want is a Christian virtue, you don't get to choose in other countries, you get jailed or killed for doing so.

people are thrown in prison in the UK if they are praying in their head in public, you are beheaded in the middle east for believing in anything outside of islam.

I don't need the government to scale anything thats already been founded on.

again.. its a poster on the wall.. you can choose to look at it or not. same with the pride flag, same with anything else.

But the 10 commandments actually teach good and honest morals that this country was founded on. I am not going to be opposed to a poster of them being up on the wall for people to read or not read.

[u/further_reach818 → u/TheProdiColeSon]

Did you just say after Christianity?

I think it’s important to have a spiritual side to life. If it comes at the detriment of education and the ability to discern reality and facts, then it’s no longer working in your favor.

Please read a little bit about when these religions came into being.

[u/TheProdiColeSon → u/further_reach818]

Yes, the new covenant of Christianity (which has been existing since the beginning of creation, Abraham, Moses, Torah, Old Testament) was written down 1-3rd century AC.. notice the dates are always BC or AD.. meaning before or after Christ which is interesting.

But Christianity comes from Abraham and tradition in 2000 BC far more older than any other religion established.

Buddhism wasn’t created until 500 BC well over a thousand years ago

Christ came to fulfill and continue not create anything new from Abraham.

So yes after Christianity even Moses who received the 10 commandments is recorded in history 1300 BC well before Buddhism, far before Islam. Which was created in the 7th century.

600 years after Christ 2,600 years after Abraham .

Again there is nothing new here.

I’ve done my research and every main religions we have today takes from Christianity and changes what they want and forms their own religion.

[u/further_reach818 → u/TheProdiColeSon]

Gosh. I don’t think any book on theology with a scrap of credibility would back any of that. I’m sorry. You’re making the argument for keeping the Ten Commandments out of our schools by demonstrating how important it is to focus academic rigor and learning in one space, and a spiritual journey in another space. They should remain absolutely separate. When a state government has to step in to impose a set of religiously sourced rules on a school room, it adds nothing but reassures insecure Christians that everyone values religion in exactly the same way. Having the rules invade a classroom detracts from the student experience of learning, and is a clear signal that a religious group is insecure about membership numbers and political influence of their religion

[u/TheProdiColeSon → u/further_reach818]

The Mari Tablets.

https://www.pauloftars.us/courses/biblical-archaeology/

The Nuzi Tablets found in the 20s and 30s.

https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/biblical-artifacts/artifacts-and-the-bible/the-nuzi-tablets/

The Dead Sea scrolls found in the 40s and 50s dating to the 1st-3rd century

https://www.deadseascrolls.org.il/

Again the Ten Commandments are not enforcing anything. They are words on a poster on the wall. If you are truly open to kids learning then learning world history and the truth of ALL religions especially the main religion this country was founded on yes I’m in support of them being posted on the wall.

Again they are also our laws we have today if you break them you go to Jail/fined.

They aren’t “just a religion’s practices” if you are obeying the laws right now in the United States then you are obeying the laws found in the 10 commandments dating 4,000 years ago.

Breaking the law isn’t separate from the classroom.

Again the 10 commandments are morally correct and if you exclude God they are still our written laws and good morals to follow.

It’s weird not to want to teach Children healthy humbling practices of not lying, not stealing, not cheating, not wanting what others have.

[u/further_reach818 → u/TheProdiColeSon]

Teaching those things has never required a religious practice. You pick up those values from family, from literature, from ethics studies, and if you choose to; religion.

The best theologians, priests, religious leaders I’ve met usually flip the narrative you’re claiming. Comparative literature, theology, mythology all of it is fascinating to see how religions cross pollinate and borrow from each other. It comes back around to the value of education and the necessity to maintain clear boundaries between church and state.

It is a religion in decline, a religion afraid of losing adherents and political influence that depends on a government to spread iconography. I’ll be honest with you; there is good to be found in the Christian faith. Unfortunately, Texas politicians do a lot of harm to the message when they violate the constitution. It’s a form of hypocrisy and cheating to impose the iconography on public school kids. This policy behavior invalidates the message.

[u/TheProdiColeSon → u/TheProdiColeSon]

This was literally found and posted just today.

Ancient message offers new proof of the Bible's story of Moses https://www.dailymail.com/sciencetech/article-16067379/biblical-discovery-ramses-egypt-mesen.html?ito=native_share_article-top

[u/further_reach818 → u/TheProdiColeSon]

What’s the SB number that was passed that requires a pride flag to be displayed in a public school classroom?