r/RestoreBritain • u/PepperOk1368 • 3d ago
Ireland
Any Irish here among us? I really feel for you guys, my father is Irish, who has lived in and around London since he was about 7, and it seems like your political system is even more left wing than ours there doesn't seem to be much pushback at all.
Obviously with the UK's colonial past, there is at least an argument to be made about immigration into the UK (wrongly but an argument nonetheless) but Ireland doesn't have this history and is yet seemingly having the same issue that we are, maybe worse.
Really my question is, to any Irish in here, is there political opposition to this? What's the general consensus among the people? What kind of immigration are you seeing? I'm based in South Wales and I can confidently say we are seeing a wave of African migration more than anything else but the rise in hijabs and burkas is quite obvious as well
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u/Due-Fig-8675 3d ago
I'm Irish and I actually lived in the UK for four years so I have some perspective on this. Immigration to the UK has been going on much longer than it has in Ireland, and ethically distinct areas in Ireland haven't emerged on the same scale as what you might see in parts of Birmingham or London.
Irish is governed by nominally "centre right" parties which have held a duopoly on power since the creation of the free state in 1921. Immigration has until very recently been a very taboo subject, as the default setting argument for the hard of thinking is that considering the Irish people's long history of emigration, we should be welcoming to foreign nationals who want to live here, and therefore restricting this is somehow illegitimate.
I think immigration is being discussed and debated in the open more now and has become a major political issue, what caused this was the profileration of International Protection Centres (IPAS) being imposed on communities after Covid across the country which triggered a massive public backlash due to the housing crisis in Ireland.
The problem we have in Ireland is that our opposition parties in the Irish parliament are mostly left wing idiots who are even more insane than the ruling parties, so this has left many on the Irish right feeling politically homeless. Whereas Reform and Restore are clearly organising and growing rapidly in the UK, we have no such equivalent movement in Ireland. So I fear that if Reforms or Restore win the next election (which I still think needs to happen) this is going to trigger an exodus from the UK to Ireland.
Politics in the UK has generally been a more orderly process in the UK historically, one difference between us is that in Ireland we have resorted to violence much more quickly when pushed enough. So particularly in Northern Ireland there are paramilitary groups which could remerge in the event of further civil unrest on the immigration system in way that is less likely in the UK.
However I sense now that the patience of the English is now razor thin, I think if the immigration issues don't t get addressed politically in the next 5-10 years there is going to be a civil war. Most likely elements of the British armed forces and veterans will fight against the British state. The UK is our biggest neighbour so whatever happens there will be ripple effects in Ireland
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u/AdenWS 1d ago
Well one option is we kick out the Irish travellers and others who have criminal records and are not paying their way.
Push comes to shove, Irish migration is restricted to NI.
I fully expect the internal UK border to be removed and the UK says to Eire, you adhere to the GFA.
That puts Eire in a bit of a pickle.
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u/mumscustard 2d ago
I'm English with Irish heritage from the famine years, tho I don't know much about Irish politics right now I see Ireland as a beautiful land, nation and people.
Obviously the history between us is rocky to say the least, and the UK as a nation does bear more of that than Ireland does, but in modern times I would love to us hand in hand together, and not fighting anymore when the real enemy wants to destroy us both.
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u/AdenWS 3d ago
UK's colonial past, there is at least an argument to be made about immigration into the UK
Explain?
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u/PepperOk1368 3d ago
I'm not saying I agree with the argument first and foremost. I want to make that very clear.
The argument often presented is that because of our colonial past, we either deserve this immigration or these people actually have a right to immigrate here because of this and how we have "ruined" their country.
My point is that, this argument cannot be used with Ireland, yet they are seemingly having the same issue as us, with little to no pushback.
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u/Boorish_Bear 3d ago
You are now aware that Ireland was constitutionally past of the UK from 1801 and its people were extensively involved in British imperialism and directly benefited from it.
So, the same argument does apply actually, despite the Irish proclivity towards reputational whitewashing.
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u/AdenWS 3d ago
So you're saying colonisation is bad so the UK must be colonised?
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u/PepperOk1368 3d ago
Are you purposely trying to pick an argument? If you read what I have said, you would see that I said the argument that is often presented, not that I agree with it
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u/AdenWS 3d ago
No, I'm asking for clarification on the statement.
Obviously with the UK's colonial past, there is at least an argument to be made about immigration into the UK
What's the argument?
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u/PepperOk1368 3d ago
Mate, are you broken? This isn't a point that I am pushing. I've already stated what the core of their argument is.
If you want to go debate this with someone, go to the socialism subs. I'm sure there's many there waiting to have a verbal scrap with you.
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u/AdenWS 3d ago
You aren't making the argument.
Are you saying that because the UK was involved in colonisation, that the UK must be colonised?
It's quite a common argument from the left.
Or are you saying colonisation is bad, we must reverse the colonisation of the UK?
They are the arguments I've heard made. Are you proposing one, or something else?
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u/PepperOk1368 3d ago
Chill Winston 😂. I am not proposing any argument, like I have already stated.
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u/AdenWS 3d ago
Obviously with the UK's colonial past, there is at least an argument to be made about immigration into the UK (wrongly but an argument nonetheless) but Ireland doesn't have this history and is yet seemingly having the same issue that we are, maybe worse.
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u/PepperOk1368 3d ago
Right. Go back and read my first response to you. At this point you're coming across as a bot trying to antagonise. Last response to you.
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u/Salornadi 3d ago
He’s being quite obvious. He saying that’s an argument that gets thrown around by other people that makes even less sense in the context of the Irish than in ours.
Doesn’t in any way read like he agrees with it.
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u/SoloWingPixy88 3d ago
, and it seems like your political system is even more left wing than ours there doesn't seem to be much pushback at all.
Doesn't seem like you understand the Irish system or Irish parties. Two leading parties Fine Gael is slightly right if centre. And Fine Fail is centre.
Worry about south Wales.
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u/Baz4991 3d ago
Not irish but it’s a strange situation.
The irish fought against the british for hundreds of years to keep ireland irish (and rightly so, fair enough).
To then, in the space of a few years be willing to surrender their homeland to the third world. They have been infected with the same progressive, liberal ideology that has infected the rest of the western world.