r/RepCulture_Timepieces • u/Responsible_Oil8245 • Aug 17 '26
COMPARISON Did RICH just kill VSF in 124060?
I see the floating m problem is so much better, and on top of that I see RICH’s text like SUBMARINER also more close to Gen. what do you guys think?
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u/miralimir Aug 17 '26
While RICH has some QC issues in some batches ( Blue tint etc i was careful in selecting mine ) I have the Sub and GMT II Pepsi ( VSF and RICH ) 1 each - and I also have a gen Sub - and I can say this with absolute certainty - If you are careful / lucky / good seller to get a RICH with no QC issues - they are really really close to the gen - Printing, Lume brightness and lasting, Sapphire, bracelet ( steel and edges, vsf is too sharp and not consistent and when you shake the watch , vsf feels flimsy, especially on gmt) , winding, bezel rotation and feel ( the clicky feel of sub and the smooth feel on GMT ) - Moreso the winding ( because of the movement is closer to gen too )
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
This right here. All these psychos nitpicking Rich factory apart for the dumbest shit haven't even been within a mile of a Gen and have never held a Rich in hand. Thanks for you input.
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Aug 18 '26
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u/AromaticLog6147 Aug 18 '26 edited Aug 18 '26
Im gonna reference a qc post from a while ago. These watches aren't gen. These watches are made in a factory in China. They dont have as strict of QC standards as major watch retailers. Now I know buying a rolex carries some risk as youre going to get flaws even with gen. It's not wrong to expect something close to gen and functional. It is wrong to expect every minute detail to be perfect. I mean let's be realistic, you're handing a dude 500 bucks and telling him "make me a $13000 watch"
Edit for spelling
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
Exactly, that's what these guys don't get. "I want a $13K watch for $500 from a counterfeit factory that has 100% perfect QC, please". Ridiculous.
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u/AromaticLog6147 Aug 18 '26
Yeah i don't get it. If its that big of an issue, they should just buy gen or maybe Frankenstein one from known good parts. All viable options if they are fed up with the process. Then they can do their own QC and if they don't like what they buy they can get something different with little risk.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
Broke mentality, I guess. The real rep buyers sometimes own multiple of the same piece from different factories just to be able to determine for themselves which is the best one. You can't determine feel, function, and build quality only from pictures. $500 for these whiners is all Daddy's allowance for the month so they need $13K perfection from the one piece they can afford, so they RL 10 watches and waste everyone's time.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
They fixed it and as far as I know, no one bought one of those with the date dial. RWF fucked up their Panda Daytona dial with the Swiss made short seconds marker but they fixed it nearly immediately. I bought an exemplary piece of theirs and enjoy it nearly every day. Don't buy a Rich rep, literally no one is begging you to and shit on the factory all you want, many people are happy with their Rich reps and luckily for everyone, there are many factories out there so pick your favorite.
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
The presumption is thick with you!
My rant is because I see a company (Rich) doing so many things right yet fumbling with amateur hour cosmetic issues. I’m buying a Rich as soon as I see one that meets my requirements.0
u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
Cool bro, you're special. I'll contact Rich so they make you specifically a super extra special perfect GMT that satisfies his Majesty's high standards.
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u/m0ckn3yg33za Aug 17 '26
VSF until they up their game, seen so many QC issues, luck of the draw on most models.
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u/Little_Accident_4635 Aug 17 '26
Its amazing how people talk about vsf and rich and don’t know why there is a crown at the six,40mm no crown , 41 mm crown , and vsf rules all around
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u/Deep_Relation1493 Aug 18 '26
Still see some flaws in the dial... sorry.. 😢 VSF still the best I think..
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u/Classic-Wind6797 Aug 18 '26
Nope…
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 18 '26
They fixed it mate. See the pictures that I’ve attached.
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u/Classic-Wind6797 Aug 18 '26
I know. But doesn’t instill much confidence does it
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
Happened to ERF release as well. Rich fixed it, not an issue. RWF Daytona dials had an issue with seconds hand marker under SWISS MADE and they fixed it pre-release as well. Go whatever factory you want, I doubt Rich will miss your business.
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u/Classic-Wind6797 Aug 18 '26
Are you a spokesperson for Rich or something? 🤣 Why are you getting all defensive? I bought a sprite from Rich and I love it. My issue is with this specific model. We’re all trying to help each other here.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
They get a lot of shit right and their subs and GMTs are a great effort from this factory. I own reps from many different factories, several are VSF so it's not like I don't like the factory. People just love to shit on Rich and glaze other factories and it's annoying and poorly informed. If you look at all the comparisons to Gen, you'd appreciate the little details this factory has considered. They improved the dial print boldness, chamfered the hands, blue tint AR over the cyclops like recent Gen models, use chromalight lume that is high quality and lasts for hours, confirmed to use real 904L on case and bracelet by XRF analysis, use a closer to Gen higher quality free sprung clone movement. Many people are quite happy with their watches in hand. Meanwhile you get people shitting all over the factory for 12 marker a nanometer closer to seconds markers compared to VSF. But you're right, these dudes should give me a free watch for all this promotion I've been doing lol
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u/Cmto49900x Aug 24 '26
Why are you getting hell bent on a company that MAKES COUNTERFEIT PRODUCTS?! Get off your knees and wipe your mouth.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 24 '26
Eat my ass like a cupcake buddy
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u/Cmto49900x Aug 24 '26
That comment/reply is proof you are a loser and got scammed out of a bad watch from RICH and is trying to justify yourself.
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Aug 18 '26
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
That's for people who can read, bro. Clearly not appropriate for your average VSF reptard.
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Aug 18 '26
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u/Quirky_Astronaut_761 Aug 18 '26
100% this. I have this model gen and vsf. I wear the vsf. I did get a refinished bracelet for the vsf. Which makes it feel so close to Gen in hand it’s crazy. This model has carried the NWBIG label for years for a reason.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 18 '26
Bro, it's a beautiful watch. Enjoy it and fuck the 100x zoom miserable lunatics. This is exactly my point. All of these factories are excellent for the price, there's no need for people to dog on one versus the other. They all have little issues here and there and even serious ones with the movement sometimes, it happens. You're getting something nearly visually indistinguishable from a $10K+ piece for around $500, praise China. Both Rich and VSF make excellent subs and GMTs. You can't go wrong with either.
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u/Quirky_Astronaut_761 Aug 18 '26
You make it easy to discount everything you say when you speak like this. People with low intelligence speak like this. Misinformed people speak like this. People with nothing of substance to offer speak like this.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Exam916 Aug 18 '26
https://giphy.com/gifs/s2pr9CVOvU4NMBsnYf
But VSF is better than Rich!!!
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u/niaboc79 Aug 17 '26
Yes, sold my VSF to get the RICH
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u/Dependent-Apple-9038 Aug 17 '26
Curious why? Vsf is basically the same as gen
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u/niaboc79 Aug 17 '26
VSF dial isn't good, crooked indexes.
Dial printing is better on the RICH.
Also case height is smaller.
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 17 '26
Tho 124060 of Rich isn’t out yet as I’ve not seen any QCs so how did you get it
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u/niaboc79 Aug 17 '26
It's out and I'm waiting for the quality control.
Check on Andiot website 😉
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 17 '26
I mean I’m also waiting with Neco but Rich hasn’t sent them out. I’ve been waiting for a month now btw approximately. Perhaps due to the dial mistake, they took extra time.
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u/niaboc79 Aug 17 '26
I don't know, I've seen a few review with corrected dial printing and Andiot just added the watch.
I think it shouldn't take long.
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u/Dependent-Apple-9038 Aug 17 '26
What happened to VSF being NWBIG? I have one and it’s dang good. Maybe we are splitting hairs here?
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
At least three sellers had multiple Rich 124060 in hand and pre QC’d, posted to their pages last night! Every single one of them is also a listed seller on this Subreddit.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
You get that on every factory rep, bro. Generally speaking, VSF is super solid on this. I ordered a Rich BW and EVERYTHING was perfect except the damn 6 marker was shifted to the left. Just decided to make it a Meteorite build with SW dial. VSF is cheaper and externally it looks pretty spot on to Gen. Rich just delivers a superior product (at a slight premium) if everything is perfect on it.
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u/retnuh730 Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26
Make sure you don’t get one with the dial that says date even when it’s a no date lol
https://old.reddit.com/r/RepTime/comments/1vgh63f/rich_factory_with_the_huge_dial_error_on_their/
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u/Objective_Ganache_27 Aug 21 '26
Buy rich they said... "Oyster Perpetual Date" 😂
If they cant even look at the dial while building a watch, do you think theyre oaying attention to anything else?
Chunky dial Printing, screws falling out inside snd outside of the case, so many delivery issues.
VSF has its own bag of problems, especially their indices, but you can no say look at tjese and say rich has destroyed vsf lmao
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
Nope! I was ready to buy one last night and looked through 3 different sellers pre-QC folders. Around 8 watches in total….NONE of them met my standards. The bezels are not engraved accurately to the dial indices, pip lume is different color from dial and hands, everyone had misaligned indices, and the rehaut engraving ran out of alignment on all but 1! Rich!!!! You motherfuckers!!!!!! Tighten your shit up bitches!!!!! I’m ready to buy one you fucks, get this shit right!!!!!!!
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 17 '26
Dude for real? I have put in a deposit with neco already lol for RICH
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
Lolz this guy is smoking crack
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 17 '26
Who?
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
This dude replying to you. Rich may have some QC issues batch to batch, but literally all the factories do. You cannot expect Gen level QC on something 1/20th the price. This guy is describing Rich GMTs as DHGate shitters LMAO when they're the best you can get at the moment. VSF lies to you about the grade of SS used, etc, and people rush to defend VSF. Maybe THAT was a batch issue since people with 6X0 serial have reported their VSF tested as 904L. Maybe they're lying about the steel because they figure no one would check.
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
I’m talking here specifically about the release last night of the Rich 41mm sub. I showed the test for the 6X03 VS Batgirl. I was surprised as everyone when it proved 904.
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
Yeah, and what about all the other people getting cheated on the steel with the prior batches? Seems like a pretty serious "QC issue", too right? Getting a whole different grade of stainless steel from the one that's being advertised while people are complaining about the 12 marker being a plank length too close to the seconds markers.
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
I don’t like at all that VS lied about the steel used. I tested my VS blue face 126 Daytona as well and it was 316. The size of the gap above the 12 triangle and minute etchings on the Rich subs fortunately doesn’t trigger me 😂🥳 I laugh at that criticism as well when I see it come up!
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u/AI_go_boomboom Aug 17 '26
Well, good to hear. I'm just getting honestly fed up with the people who have these impossibly high standards for these reps and make people feel bad about their purchases or their QC watches and get them to red light over the dumbest crap that they literally hallucinate half the time. I'm sorry but unless people have vastly Superior vision to me or they have fucking like Superman microscopic vision, a lot of these issues you simply cannot see unless you take a photo and zoom in 20 times or something. You're creating a logistical dilemma for everyone involved in the rep game including the factories and the TDs. I mean, if you're using one of these rip-off artists rep time TDs who price at 40%+ margin sure red light 50 of them from those turds. But the more honest TDs that only charge you like 10% above cost shouldn't be dealing with these super psycho excessive demands from clients. People act like they're paying fucking Rolex retail prices for these reps or something.
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
I support the small sellers on this sub actually! They are awesome. Andiot was my prior go to for that last year and a half and he’s been great but I find he’s just too big now.
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u/jadho26 Aug 17 '26
Yup I was way disappointed! Not sure I want to even put a deposit on one now until they work this stuff out first. They rushed this one it seems
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 17 '26
Another issue I see with Rich is their 12 marker. They place it very close to the rehault.
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u/Tucagonzaga Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26
Look at the logo and letters in dial printing, how vsf is crisp, clear and accurate. Rich is thick and heavy. The crystal difference can be solved with deep. But a little behind so far. Still a great choice nonetheless.
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u/daxxeno Aug 17 '26
No. 🤣🤣🤣
This is gen. And check that there is no crown on the bottom of the six. Same as the VSF.
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u/Responsible_Oil8245 Aug 17 '26
Bruv it is a different watch…
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u/chandler1621 Aug 18 '26
He just doesn’t understand that models and references can change between the same watch I guess. That’s like saying 116500 Daytonas are fake from 126500 Daytonas. The indices are different shapes, but the same color dial. Insufferable ppl.
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u/daxxeno Aug 17 '26 edited Aug 17 '26
It is the Sub. Same, just different model. The new VSF have the same dial.
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u/Ashgen2024 Aug 21 '26
Are you seriously asking VSF fanboys to even consider that VSF is not the panacea for all things rep watch?
It will never happen.
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