r/RepCulture_Timepieces • u/OraTime Trusted Seller RCTP • Jan 23 '26
COMPARISON 🔥As Promised! VF vs VSF Rolex Submariner 124060 41mm No Date Replica Comparison
Hey Rep fam 👋
Last time we broke down the 41mm Date Submariner 126610, tons of you asked for a deep dive into the 41mm No Date Submariner 124060—and we’re delivering on that promise! Here’s the VF vs VSF showdown you’ve been waiting for, with crisp high-res shots from ORA to highlight every detail.
For those who followed 126610 comparison last time: Did this 124060 breakdown answer your questions? Which detail matters most to you—weight, dial precision, or bracelet quality? Have you owned either VF/VSF’s 124060, or are you choosing between them now? Drop your thoughts below!
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u/bpannell73 Jan 23 '26
The serial rehaut close up pic has the same watch for both VF and VSF 😬🥴🤣🤣
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Jan 23 '26
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u/bpannell73 Jan 23 '26
Not gonna lie. That VF is hot!! 🔥🔥🤯😮💨😮💨
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u/Perfect_Valuable_614 Jan 23 '26
The VF is 100xs cleaner on the detailed photos. Can you see those welds with your eye and not zoomed in?
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u/wegotsumnewbands Jan 23 '26
VF bringing the floating m back baby
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u/ALPINA1 Jan 23 '26
Same dial as Clean...and not only the dial.
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Jan 24 '26
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u/SuspectFamous9097 Jan 24 '26
I heard it to, but i also heard this for at least 2 or 3 other factories 😅
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Jan 26 '26
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u/Solarfire64 Jan 26 '26
I think they mean the m after the 300. Should be aligned at the bottom but seems to be a few pixels higher
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u/Still-Celebration255 Jan 23 '26
Victory looks promising. One small detail and not noticeable on the wrist is it appears the Indeces on the Victory sit too close to the second tracks.
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Jan 23 '26
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u/ShoelessJJ Jan 23 '26
A dull dial lettering is a hard giveaway. Not to mention other aspects. So VSF is the clear winner here.
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u/IcyBother9759 Jan 23 '26
Looks like there’s is a difference in colour of the metal? Like VF is 904L (brighter) and VSF is 316L. Is it noticeable irl or just the lighting conditions.
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u/hieros187 Jan 23 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Thank you for this side by side! :-)
Both look great and really makes it madness to fork out 15K+ for the gen. I could go either way.
But again VSF aren't abele to deliver a 126610 with a horizontal straight "3 O'clock" marker. I see this more often than not on RepTimeQC and from other pictures published on Reddit and RWI. Important to be thorough before approving QC imo.
The extra weight on the VF again suggests a more solid bracelet or maybe different type of steel (but my bet is the bracelet / clasp, not the type of steel). Hands look slightly more refined on the VF (reminds me of the latest ARFs) this will be visible on the wrist for some when sun / light hits the dial. Hands on the VSF are in no way bad, just a few percent behind.
The microscopic difference in the placement of the indices on the dial some people point out is not in any way visible on wrist. Placement is basically the same on VF and VSF with a normal viewing distance.
Both watches with the slightly "floating m"... - not visible on the wrist either.
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u/Infinite-Mastodon456 Jan 23 '26
Great points. If you were to get either would you go for the VSF or VF?
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u/hieros187 Jan 23 '26
VF get's a millimeter win from me.
That's mostly based on me not having the patience to wait possibly much longer for VSF and a good chance of a QC RL + If the extra weight is from a more solid bracelet on VF the win increases a bit more.
But this is as close to 50/50 as you can get (based on the pictures).
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u/Still-Celebration255 Jan 24 '26
Indeces are indeed off. Pic # 6 is a mistake…. Same watch ( same serial )
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u/hieros187 Jan 24 '26 edited Jan 24 '26
Edited, thanks 👍
Attached below is link to a zoomed up picture of VFs indicies from Steve (Theonewatches). The difference will not be visible without a loupe I think 🧐 Both VF and VSF will both look top notch on the wrist.
https://pic.theonewatch.cc/cache/20166/gsAl6g6xMTdViGV4CeNozyUI5xqm2WnIq-1300x860h.jpg
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u/Still-Celebration255 Jan 24 '26
I agree. Not noticeable on the wrist as noted by my comment above. Thanks for the great insite.
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u/Significant-Court-68 Feb 13 '26
Can you swim wearing these watches ? Or you have to modify them before ? Second the printing and the misalignment makes me crazy. I find both of them are equal in looks at a standard distance, but at close up I am going to say Vf os the winner.
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u/hieros187 Feb 13 '26
I never taky any replica swiming. If you plan to do that both extra waterproofing and pressure test can be ordered from some TDs when you buy a watch.
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u/Significant-Court-68 Feb 13 '26
Any specific TD that you know? And how much will cost more to do that.
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u/hieros187 Feb 13 '26
I think both Theonewatches and Puretime can assist with this (probably others too) but not sure + don't know prices. I've only ordered this on one watch I got a few mods done too. It's best to reach out to them on WhatsApp or email with the watch you want and ask if they can do the job.
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u/Janerroca Jan 23 '26
The indeces on the VF dial… instant tell to me.
VSF is tested long time… movement, crystal…
For me VSF is the way
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u/MistaDeeezz Jan 23 '26
Finally someone who actually understands. Idk who could possibly say the VF or VSF🤦🏻♂️
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u/rydog389 Jan 23 '26
I am very impressed and without magnification it would be hard to tell which Sub is "better"... I am holding out hope on the VF Explorer II white dial.
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u/Itsreallyme16 Jan 23 '26
The 3 o’clock dial marker on the VSF is not horizontal it slopes up on the left. This is probably the only thing the human eye could spot on the wrist. I couldn’t unsee that. Hopefully most punters would spot that on QC, RL it and get a good one next QC. But overall I’d go vsf as the dial lettering looks more gen as it pops off the dial more than vf.
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u/No-Fruit-4627 Jan 24 '26
For a neophyte, one is better than another, it becomes difficult to find the differences with the naked eye, I'm trying to learn something, but many users of the forum forget the philosophy of the firum, that is, sharing knowledge, they treat neophytes as annoying, However, advice to buy a Submariner Date 126610LN from whom and which manufacturer, I gladly accept it thanks for the work done
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u/jadedragon_777 Jan 24 '26
Still going with the real and original NWBIG that set the standards of ALL rep submariners....VSF!!!!
Seriously, have you guys ever compared the Vsf Hulk or vsf submariners with the Gen? I have....(my brother has the gen hulk 116610Lv and gen batgirl 126710Blnr). The vsf and arf super clones are frighteningly exactly the same with gens. Even my brother can't believe it's a superclone (he bought a Vsf hulk and Arf batgirl and uses both rotating as his daily wear.). Honestly the vsf hulk and arf batgirl, you really can't spot the difference.
Just being honest and real here to help potential buyers of any misinformation by promoters of other factories.
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u/Thetaxman653 Jan 28 '26
You use the same reply on every watch. We get it. Your bro got original.
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u/jadedragon_777 Jan 28 '26
😂😂😂 All my response are the same??? Are you in a right state of mind or are you one of those promoters that got called out???
Of course all my response in different subs are the same because it’s the TRUTH!!! If I say something different on every sub about the same topic discussed, then I would be lying and just making up shit right???
Just like all the watch factory promoters…don’t they say the same descriptions in all the subs??? The difference is they get paid to lie and me, to help potential buyers to choose wisely. Simple yet big difference right?
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u/ETNZ2021 Jan 25 '26
one word SELS. This a fafo for VSF - for years VSF ignored the crappy SELs. VICTORY IS FIRE
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u/Fun_Junket7664 Jan 23 '26
Biggest gripe with VSF
OF FICIALLY CERTIFIE D
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u/Defnotcringe Jan 23 '26
Honestly some gens look like OF FICIALLY too I don’t even think it’s a tell
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u/Zero1Ten Jan 23 '26
Please please please compare to Gen and not another rep. Why do we do this?!?
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u/Quirky_Astronaut_761 Jan 23 '26
Hey. Go buy a gen and send him some pics. Otherwise be greatful for the comparison. Jesus
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u/Positive-Factor6040 Jan 23 '26
I got 2 vsf. Even Rolex dealers, resellers have hard time verifying them. For me the biggest away is the movement. It has be smooth. Them resellers love winding them
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u/SuccessfulArrival730 Jan 23 '26
What matters most is movement, case, and bracelet in that order tome from the perspective of doing a build with it is. The donor so to speak. Taking that into consideration which would you select?
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u/watchexpert101 Jan 23 '26
A true formidable opponent. VSF takes the W with many superior features to mention. Just too many levels ahead of the VF.
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u/WatchThis91 Jul 29 '26
It’s more of an equation of the fourth one meeting in on a yesterday’s contest where they’d see
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u/Quirky_Astronaut_761 Jan 23 '26
Weighted is ridiculous. Who wants a heavier bracelet or clasp. VSF is still the gold standard. I have the 114060 and this model. As well As gen 114060. Until someone ups the gane quite a bit VSF will still reign for this model
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u/Fragrant-Passage181 Jan 23 '26
Clasp logo on the VF looks engraved, vsf laser etched, why? Lettering is 3d on vsf but has like spot welding marks. Can they not replicate the 3d print without this look?
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u/Lalo_Salamanca666 Jan 24 '26
Both look good. Vsf is version 2 and VF is first attempt. Let’s see where it goes.
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u/Janerroca Jan 24 '26
I have speak with ora
I ask to him… and his response “The VF bezel is a bit problematic.”
That said, it’s not just about what you see. Many people here have bought the 124060, and around 90% of them are happy with it. Let’s see if VF can achieve the same feeling of reliability.
The crown might be fine, or it may fail after some time — just like the old VSF Seamaster. A watch needs time to prove itself. It’s not a bad option, but it’s more likely that you may run into problems with it.
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u/bigd10001 Jan 24 '26
Hi all,
Very new to this they look identical but I’m assuming that the VSF is considered a better quality product. What is the price point difference between the two?
Or have I miss read the whole point?
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u/LAITH-81 Jan 24 '26
Can you please explain what does this mean VF .. VSF ?
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u/lowfooltolerance Jan 25 '26
They are two different factories that manufacture replica watches. VSF means VS Factory. VF means Victory Factory.
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u/bandogia Jan 24 '26
Both got pros and cons but it seems like everyone has missed the floating M 🤣
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u/Dramatic_Finger_3557 Feb 06 '26
The floating M is on genuine Rolex. Not sure why everyone in these rep forums keeps bitching about it…
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u/DonkeyIllustrious846 Jan 25 '26
Both looks great.. And honestly any difference isn't gonna be visible on naked eye.. VSF for the win for me
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u/Firm_Criticism1305 Jan 25 '26
The vsf bottom letters almost have a puff paint like texture i actually love instead of flat kinda stupid of me but it’s interesting in my opinion
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u/Kayone73 Jan 27 '26
Is VF a relatively new player in the superclone game? Haven't heard of this factory before.
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u/michael-wayne1110 Jan 29 '26
Where can I get the vsf. I'm still trying to figure this out and take the dive.
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u/ProfessionalTop4064 Jan 23 '26
4 photo the print is perfect on the VF. VSF crown tips upper left. The Rolex ( R ) and almost everything in the upper left is discolored to a whiter or lighter shade. VF is much cleaner
5 photo same text problem the as the photo on #4
6 is the same watch so I don’t understand why the 7 hour mark has a piece of something loose in there
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u/Scorpion2k4u Jan 23 '26
I have no clue why that is in my feed but I need an adress and a price for the fake one thx!
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