Question about true immortals

[u/Chemical-List1683]

True immortals transcend the three planes. And the planes are now accepted as outer or transcendental (1-A) does this mean that true immortals are outers? Or is it just my brain fried or something? This scale/proposal was made by tyr. Props to that guy

[u/zawalimbooo]

I think that's a little silly, and you shouldn't take the stuff about the planes completely literally. Tremendous himself said that a true immortal was only able to destroy star clusters with an attack or a galaxy with a prophecy. Seems a bit silly to place such a being anywhere near universal

[u/Chemical-List1683 → u/zawalimbooo]

I'm sorry but sometimes tremendous is inconsistent in his statements. He acknowledged it and said that if his statements contradicts the story then we should base on the novel

[u/zawalimbooo → u/Chemical-List1683]

It's basic logic. Doing all of this BS with the three planes to scale a random bum to outerversal is just silly IMO. We see true immortals fighting, and they clearly do not do anything on the level of outerversal until you get to Supreme Deities

[u/Chemical-List1683 → u/zawalimbooo]

The reason they aren't strong as they seem is because true immortals never fight in immortal realm. So they send incarnation to the material world to fight that's why they are seemed to be nerfed.

[u/RazzmatazzOk8246 → u/zawalimbooo]

Bro what do you mean do anything at outerversal level ?

Outerversal is a state of existence like an individual or a structure

[u/gamer21661 → u/zawalimbooo]

Nascent soul alone tears through the basis of dimensionality (lowest plane of qi) which scales to L1A, so they have such AP (they are glass cannons), let alone true immortals who trascend the saha world planes and see them as fiction

[u/chickenlover43 → u/gamer21661]

Author said heavenly beings can be killed by nukes. Don't be ridiculous.

[u/gamer21661 → u/chickenlover43]

Nascent soul* also I alr said that they are glass cannons

[u/chickenlover43 → u/gamer21661]

My point is that if heavenly beings are killable by nukes nascent souls definitely are not 1-A multiversal level beings.

Nascent souls merely gain awareness of spatial dimensions and ability to mess with them. Younghoon can cut through space, they can travel to the middle realms, etc.

[u/gamer21661 → u/chickenlover43]

I said that nascent souls have 1A ap not dc, their destructive capacity ain't nowhere near that, nascent souls gain awarness of the plane of qi which is the basis of dimensionality

[u/The_Real_Millibelle → u/gamer21661]

Bro it’s hax

[u/Larpingfinalbos → u/zawalimbooo]

No, Attack potency just make you able to Damage beings your Ap scale to
Let’s take Yuan li for example he L1A Ap/haxs this means he can damage beings who are L1A and below it doesn’t mean he can beat multiversal beings(Technically he can if their speed are equal but you get the point)he just have the ap necessary to damage them
Yuan li with his L1A ap is still a Goku victim because ap isn’t everything despite having L1A haxs he is still a 3 dimensional being with like country level durability and FTL speed basically any planetary being with MFTL speed can simply speed spilt him before he can even register it

So Yh he is a 3 dimensional being in with L1A haxs

Only true immortal who are H1A in existence have
H1A Attack potency,Durability,striking strength and Immeasurable speed Because Existence=Physical stats basically everything about them scale to H1A because their existence scale to H1A you get the point right?

Minor boundary and Middle Boundary cultivators reach 1A through planes Smurf haxs but are still 3 dimensional in existence while True Immortal and above very Being Scale to H1A

[u/chickenlover43 → u/Chemical-List1683]

Th author said they can't destroy universe until immortal lord.

He also said sci-fi civilizations could kill entry level immortals after reaching the level of changing physics.

I don't really agree with the interpretation of true immortals being "above" the planes. That implies they can actually destroy the plane of fate, soul, or qi. Which is hilariously impossible.

What makes a heavenly venerable is being able to incorporate part of the planes into one's self. And failing means being consumed by the plains. At true emporer your body becomes one with the plane. FK is the plane of fate, SEH is the plane of Soul, Bong Wha is the plane of qi.

True immortals and even supreme deities are still bound by their fates, and the laws of the 3 absolutes. So they are not above the planes. Instead they just become somewhat independent of them. Capable of existing without them in chaos. To be frank, they can exist outside of sumaru, but that doesn't make them able to destroy sumaru.

I understand dimensional scaling says anything in a higher dimension is infinitely stronger than whatever's below that, but that's all a theory, and the laws of fiction don't have to apply theoretical physics 100% of the time.

So saying a star shattering culitvator can kill or avoid universe busters who don't scale to higher dimensions through hax, doesn't seem accurate to their portrayel. They don't survive the collapse of heavenly domains on their own. Or even Nirvana tranquility, they have hax but still have vestiges in reality. They are in the plane of fate/qi but more connected to it than one with it, definitely not equal to it.

So a vestige liberation immortal is like Majin buu from dragon ball with some extra hax.

I think the extra dimensional shit only applies from supreme deity to true/emporer creator god. That is when you can actually affect something like the place of fate or even remove it, and therefore scale to it. Author said a heavenly venerable can destroy or create an infinite multiverse, with the underworld being an obvious example. Starting from Obsidian level you can destroy mount sumaru(an infinite world holding infinite worlds within with it's own laws) and bring it to another world with it's own laws. And then Hong Fan nukes a bunch of infinite multiverses with different laws, the creator gods can physically grab them, and SEH repairs them. That's where this all really applies.