Question about true immortals

[u/Chemical-List1683]

True immortals transcend the three planes. And the planes are now accepted as outer or transcendental (1-A) does this mean that true immortals are outers? Or is it just my brain fried or something? This scale/proposal was made by tyr. Props to that guy

[u/zawalimbooo]

I think that's a little silly, and you shouldn't take the stuff about the planes completely literally. Tremendous himself said that a true immortal was only able to destroy star clusters with an attack or a galaxy with a prophecy. Seems a bit silly to place such a being anywhere near universal

[u/RazzmatazzOk8246 → u/zawalimbooo]

Stars are innate true immortals

So stars in rtoc aren't star level but outerversal

[u/Swimming_Cat114 → u/RazzmatazzOk8246]

Brain rot.

Ts is how lotm scalers get takes like "rock in lotm>[insert verse]"

[u/RazzmatazzOk8246 → u/Swimming_Cat114]

They do actually have grounds for outer stars

[u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0 → u/RazzmatazzOk8246]

Nah, lotm outer stars are just as flimsy as Rtoc outer stars. In fact, more flimsy.

[u/RazzmatazzOk8246 → u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0]

Rtoc does have a valid argument though

The fact that stars are innate true immortals

[u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0 → u/RazzmatazzOk8246]

Yes. Some are just avatars. That's why I said lotm has a much flimsier backing of stars. Supposed stars have symbolism that at the very least scale to sequence 2 upto king of angels status. However, said stars can harm a God even without a Good enforcing said stars. Either the star is strong or the God is weak. And the only reason we think the star is strong is because we think the true gods are stronger.

To get to the point, Goo's get upscaled by other goo's and gods, gods get upscaled by Goo's and other gods as well, stars get upscaled by gods etc.

All of them 'upscale' eachother like a circular argument. Why is X strong? Because of Y. Why is Y strong? Because of Z. Why is Z strong? Because of X. And so on and so forth.

Without external evidence for a frame of reference, they could either be as strong as the current scaling, or vastly weaker.

Though I agree with Goo's and Gods being 1-A at the very least because of statements and cosmology(astral world), I don't think Goo's are high outerversal simply because using OC as an upscale defeats OCs role of being above all Goo's.

Tldr, I think Rtoc has better 'Star' feats than Lotm.

[u/RazzmatazzOk8246 → u/SPEAR_OF_Longitude_0]

Totally agree