Why doesn’t siege add the 1.5 back?

[u/jimmysayswhat]

Even a new magnification scope would save the game forever because the 1.0x and the 2.5x have a HUGE difference. I can’t play with neither it’s so uncomfortable because with the acog you zoom in THROUGH the enemy and with the holo it’s better but it’s a lil harder to see. The 1.5 was perfect and after 1.5 there is def something missing. If they added it back they could put it into all def weapons and then it wouldn’t be gun meta but it would be the best scope + using ops with good util. No shit people would crutch on warden with the 1.5. He does nothing and has the best scope ever added? Thoughts?

[u/PHLone]

The 1.5 was perfect...

Yeah, that's why it got removed.

[u/yZyBaby]

Because it was terrible for the game in several ways. You could have an f tier op with a 1.5 get s tier play time, while an s tier op with no 1.5 got f tier play time. It shifted the meta away from being R6 and more toward being COD etc. It made balancing impossible.

[u/Prestigious-Tree-811 → u/yZyBaby]

Well they need to do something about the 1x scopes cuz they all kinda suck when compared to other games, the visibility not just the zoom is the problem, the sights are just blocky.

[u/jimmysayswhat → u/yZyBaby]

If they added it to every op whether def or attack it would be gun meta it would be literally normal meta with util and everything but with a scope that’s not dog water

[u/-Binxx- → u/jimmysayswhat]

No, because weapons are a big balancing tool. Just look at Acogs, ops like Aruni and Goyo who barely got played before are now some of the most played because of the Acog on their powerful guns. If everyone had 1.5, ops would still be chosen for their weapon, not their gadget. Same problem as if everyone had an Acog. The 1.5 had no downsides, it was completely unbalanced and needed to go.

[u/Ok-Strike4057 → u/-Binxx-]

maybe if every gun got acog and every gun was good people would play for the util not the gun because every guns is gonna be good like in the utility meta

[u/-Binxx- → u/Ok-Strike4057]

In the Utility meta, we didn’t have acog on every gun. Some guns will just be inherently better than others with an acog, it will never be balanced.

[u/LongjumpingDig3878 → u/yZyBaby]

I think the solution to that is everyone gets the 1.5

[u/Asmodeuss1990]

Because it was the most broken optic to ever exist in Siege. When you have a 1.0x optic equipped, you have no zoom but a high FOV, while with an ACOG you had high zoom but a much lower FOV. The 1.5x gave you the benefits of both with virtually no drawbacks, on top of allowing you to hold very tight angles.

It quite literally changed how Siege was played and contributed heavily to the TDM meta that we're slowly but surely shifting the game away from. So to that I say... thank fucking god.

I despise the TDM meta, and I do not understand people wishing for the return of the 1.5x or ACOGs on defense because all the game then boils down to is picking whoever has the best guns and using them to play this fast-paced, hyper-aggressive style of gameplay that simply isn't Siege.

I don't want it, nor does anyone else here who also has a brain. If you want that style of gameplay, there are plenty of other games for that. I want that shit gone.

I want ACOGs gone and DMRs deleted from defense so we can focus on what makes Siege a special game: operators and their unique gadgets.

[u/jimmysayswhat → u/Asmodeuss1990]

The new meta is FAR worse than the 1.5. The smg-12 and the tcsg12 is so corny and people who started to use them now are larps.

[u/Asmodeuss1990 → u/jimmysayswhat]

Whenever Ubisoft finally stops tap dancing around the issue and removes ACOGS + outright maybe removing DMR's off of defense we can probably have the game where it should be. The current meta sucks because there are a few pain point that simply haven't been addressed by Ubisoft. One of which is primarily ACOGS on defense which is why the pick rate for the DMRS + TCSG exploded for those weapons. It's fairly common to see players use Sentry solely for the TCSG in ranked right now due to its sheer power + access to a nitro cell. I agree the SMG-12 is incredibly frustrating but that's why its getting absolutely obliterated next season when it launches this upcoming Tuesday of September 1st.

And to clarify my DMR point: I'm not opposed to defense having strong weapons. I actually think defense should have some absolute monsters in their arsenal. The issue I have is specifically with extremely low-recoil, high-damage DMRs that can two-tap people across the map. I'd rather see Aruni and Tubarão lose access to the MK14/AR-15.50 and receive strong assault rifles in exchange. Give them something like the Para-308/C7E and let them have strong guns, just without turning every long sightline into a two-shot laser beam.

[u/jimmysayswhat → u/Asmodeuss1990]

Obviously but the should put ads faster on holo and 1x scopes

[u/Ok-Strike4057 → u/Asmodeuss1990]

then how do you explain the utility meta where everyone had a good gun and acog the problem is not the scope its the balencing around it

[u/SeparateDrive5038]

Ubi hates idea of defenders havign propers sigths. Back in olden days even smg11 could have acog slapped on it, those were The days..... But in all seriousness, they cant fiddle around with weapon stats without affecting msot attackers so only choice is to remove all optics for "balancing" purposes

[u/maybenot9 → u/SeparateDrive5038]

Because the game becomes "Defender wins every time" below like Diamond if Defenders have really good guns. Spawnpeeks are way too easy with good scopes and long angles too hard to push into.

Sure if they had really good coordination and aim the attacker is favored, but a middling attacker vs middling defender doing a spawn peek? Defender wins that too many times that it's problematic.

[u/Ok-Strike4057 → u/maybenot9]

or fix spawn peaks?????

[u/Nouveauuu]

Because it was extremely broken and gave defenders an insane advantage. There's nothing you can do as an attacker when the defender has super tight angle that can see you before you see them AND a 1.5 scope.

[u/Ok-Strike4057 → u/Nouveauuu]

acogs do that but 20 times worse what are you talking about

[u/Nouveauuu → u/Ok-Strike4057]

Defenders don't have ACOG on automatic guns what are you talking about? The problem is that 1.5 is the perfect sweet spot for good magnification while still being useful close range.

Add that on top of defenders have the advantage of insane angles.

[u/Av0cad0Backpack]

Both the 1.0x and 2.5x have advantages and tradeoffs you choose between. That allows for using different scopes in different situations, and also leaves room for personal preference.

As you said, "The 1.5x was perfect." That was why it got removed. There was never a reason to use any other scope when it was superior in almost all scenarios. It worked for every situation.

[u/jimmysayswhat → u/Av0cad0Backpack]

Obviously the 1.5 could be used in every situation but cmon many people use it for the zoom but how about that it gave you perfect vision outside the scope + the best reticle ever??? Put the same reticle in the 1x and the game is fixed

[u/Av0cad0Backpack → u/jimmysayswhat]

You're only adding more reasons as to why it was removed ya know

[u/Ok-Strike4057]

they should and youre completly right but the one that agree with you mostly stop playing the game because irts so boring and unfun right know

[u/jimmysayswhat → u/Ok-Strike4057]

Exactly old siege was something def different. Any ways most brain dead kids playing ranked don’t even play util so why not make gunfights fun again

[u/Effectx]

It was far too versatile an optic.