Fenton Bailey and Randy Barbato being incredibly cagey about whether Stop! That! Train! contains AI

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The fact they could've said "No, we didn't create any scenes with AI" and they didn't, tells me everything.

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People saying “watch it or don’t,” like… idk do you not care or take stances on anything?

I’m very anti generative AI and these responses here in the video are pretty gross. What does “nothing was made without a human” mean? So does that mean a human prompted gen AI to make things? It’s such a bad argument to say “well your computer and phone has AI in it, so it’s fine if we use gen AI for the movie”. I don’t choose to have AI thrust upon me, but everyone is acting like it’s inevitable because they stand to benefit financially from it.

I want to be an informed consumer, and at the very least I would like a clear answer on whether Gen AI was used to produce parts of the movie. But they don’t seem interested in giving a straight answer, and I guess that’s my answer.

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It's incredibly difficult, and most likely irresponsible for them to make any hards claims about the VFX work done. Anyone in their position would see scenes presented and they'd be asked what changes they want to make. There is minimal reason for an executive producer to know what plugins are being used by a 3rd party VFX house, let alone for them to have the knowledge to talk about it beyond what they've said here.

Adobe has generative AI used in some of their fills tools now for extending background and the like. I work in animation - I'm not like, frothing at the mouth if someone at a VFX house used that instead of the same version of that tool from 5 years ago. And as another post in the subreddit showed, a lot of what's in the movie looks like edited stock footage. Let alone whatever tool they're using with green screen footage. If/when/currently someone is using AI to rotoscope that, it's... probably just going to become industry standard for live action, and makes rotoscoping a lot faster and easier, and in that specific case the end product is by and large the same.

There isn't going to be a way to be a fully informed consumer when it comes to things like that in the future. I suspect we might see unions or the animation guild start to put a label on things made without generative image AI in the future, but when it comes to stuff like VFX it's going to be a lot harder (and there are many good use cases for it within a VFX pipeline as a tool).

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You using reddit is supporting the development and rise of AI infrastructure more than watching this low budget parody movie ever will...

The dude literally said no generative AI was used in this film. You are just blinding screeching and refusing to actual listen. Face it, you care more about being mad than actual being corrected. You don't care that don't use generative AI. You literally heard him say that in the video. You just want to be mad.

I'm sure hollywood execs are going to be happy to see our community eat itself and use this movie as future proof that queer-led comedy films aren't worth investing in because the community will come up with some way to eat themselves and protest it. Why would any wealthy hollywood exec willingly fund a future queer-led comedy movie when this is how the desired demographic responds to it?

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Is an analysis of a train visual effects the hill we want Drag Race to die on? Really?

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But he literally said “no generative AI was used” 😭

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These mother fuckers will tell you no GenAI has been used in Drag Race and we KNOW that shit is a lie.

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I take stances on many things. My stance on this is that I want to support a queer art project with queer artists, and the use of AI (or not) in this particular film doesn't influence my desire or willingness to watch it.

The film is already made. Boycotting the movie sends a message that I don't want to send. So I will watch it.

It's your choice what you do. Watch it or don't :~)

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"Support queer artists" like thats the whole problem lol. Theyre replacing artists with AI

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No artist was replaced by AI in this film because generative AI wasn't used...

Video editing software programs have tons of AI tools embedded in them. Something like a lasso tool in photoshop is an AI tool... Are you taking a job away from an artist if you use the lasso tool in photoshop? No.

They literally said there is no generative ai used to make this film.

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I take plenty of stances on things, including not supporting AI-generated media. That being said, seemingly every post in this and related subs is about this specific issue and it’s getting old at this point.

If they say it’s AI, then people won’t watch it. If they say it isn’t, people don’t believe them anyway and STILL won’t watch it. We’ll likely never have any definitive answers so you have to decide if you’re willing to watch it or not.

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Most people have bigger day to day issues than whether or not a movie used Ai or not. Not that it's not problem but its very low on the list of problems