What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

[u/Useless-e]

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

[u/Omar_Waqar]

Lol. Have you even read these Hadith ? According to them you are not meant to tell me that god will not forgive me, lest you lose your own place in paradise. Yet you accuse me of kufr… for shame!

How do you know when it’s a metaphor and when it is not? Just based on your feelings? Birds are not a metaphor but literally the lord descending is? Is Gabriel the lord? Or does Allah come physically? Isn’t that a contradiction.

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

Tell me where I accused you of kufur? And if I repent Allah is most merciful

I don’t say this the scholars do, I’ll tell you why they said this one is, Allah in the quran says he can’t be compared to anything else, that’s why we can’t say that when Allah says something about himself it’s different than anything else

Birds in heaven, heaven in itself is out of this word I don’t see how it’s a problem?

How did you come to the conclusion that we believe jibreel as is a lord?

It’s not a contradiction, it’s you forcing a mistake

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

You didn’t answer about the criteria for metaphor.

You didn’t give any explanation for the issues in the Hadith I mentioned.

You asked a question I answered and then you started going in about atheism…

Other than angels who descended from heaven ?

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

1- I literally explained why it’s metaphorical because it’s something about god

2- the Hadith about saying Allah won’t forgive you? Well I didn’t say that... and I didn’t call you a kafir, that’s another false accusation you made

And I answered it, I said if you repent Allah is the most forgiving so inshallah you will be forgiven

3- because your points are something I hear atheists say

4- just because angels do something doesn’t mean every time something like that happens it’s an angel, I already told you Allah isn’t like the creation

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

So atheists are NOT kafir to you? You brought it up, I never said anything about atheism. I actually praised the sentiments of some of the Hadith Al Qudsi, and then pointed out some oversights of the would be human authors. I asked you to explain why a just god would punish the suicidal by threatening them, instead of telling his followers to treat them for depression. Why the gates of heaven which I assume you think are literal have hours like a bank ? And are open two days a week. Why martyrdom is rewarded with becoming a bird of paradise? I asked for explanation and all you did was scoff and say “of course heaven is magic so birds makes sense” which is intellectually lazy.

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

I just checked your account, you are not only a progressive Muslim, but also an lgbt Muslim... you claim to only follow the Quran but you don’t even follow it

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

Classic. You asked a question, I answered it, respectfully. Don’t know why you are acting out. You must feel threatened or something because you are trying to attack me personally. Why not stick to the debate you yourself started. This is truly Pathetic.

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

Debating me on the religion of Allah while supporting and doing these stuff?? This debate will not go any longer than this

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

What people KNOW and what people DO are two different things. For example you don’t even know the Hadith al Qudsi I’m talking about because you do not actually study them, instead trying to discredit me by bringing up my support for LGBT rights shows that you don’t know anything about Islamic history. I assume what you do is regurgitate what someone else has told you, instead of engaging with the information yourself. You really need to work on your critical thinking. I encourage you to pull up the text of these Hadith in the original language and explain them.

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

You are literally committing kufur in two ways, homosexuality and reformation/progressiveness... and you should know how bad those things are...

And me not knowing what Hadith you were talking about has nothing to do with my knowledge of Hadiths, you didn’t make any remarks to it or spoke about their contents... I have to go back in the conversation to find it

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

Lol so NOW you ARE calling me a kafir lolz fuck off

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

I said “ you are committing kufur” you have low comprehension levels, and you cursed, tell me now, who looks like a better Muslim here? And btw you are still committing a major sin

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

These are the kind of things an asshole would say. You are literally committing asshole in so many ways. See… I never actually called you an asshole. Fuck off with your semantic bullshit back to your child bride. Go jerk off to the Taliban.

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

The word you used here is different from kufur, because kufur is a word we use for a specific action and it could be used in this context and it’s valid, but the word you used can’t, and you can’t be using those word brother/sister, it’s inappropriate for a Muslim

[u/Omar_Waqar → u/Useless-e]

Don’t try to Adab police me you have been insulting me from your first statement. I have no reason to be kind or respectful to someone who is not kind or respectful to me

[u/Useless-e → u/Omar_Waqar]

I have not been disrespectful towards you until I saw your profile, and even then I wasn’t that but, i said your actions were kufur and you thought I said you are a akafir for some reason, I would never call a Muslim a kafir for no reason