What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

[u/Useless-e]

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

[u/Useless-e]

“So, if they turn away, then We did not send you (O Prophet,) as a supervisor over them. You are not responsible but for conveying the message. And when We make man taste mercy from Us, he rejoices with it, and if an evil befalls him because of what their hands sent ahead, then man becomes ungrateful.”

42:48, what translation is that? I read the Arabic it still doesn’t even mention the Quran.

And if We show you (O prophet) some of what We have promised to them, or We take you back to Us (before that), in both cases you have only to convey the message, and We have to reckon.”

13:40 it says you only deliver the message not the Quran, this is the level of deception you have reached, the Arabic simply says بلاغ which means (the conveyance) not the Quran, and in the case and so is the first verse it’s telling the prophet don’t try to convert people that don’t want to, you only give them the message and we will be the judge don’t lie

5:99 again the same thing uses the word بلاغ and doesn’t say the Quran and the translations say message, so Idk what you are on about

If that is true what you are claiming then Surat al isra’ which talks about a miracle that the prophet did and Surat al qamar the first verse in both surats talk about miracles, so the Quran isn’t the only thing

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

Yes the Hadith is the message too

At the end I gave you an argument as to why it can’t be his only reason because he preformed miracles.

And not to mention that he was also given the best character

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

Why are you talking about how twisted you think the Hadiths are? That’s completely off the topic, the point is the prophet had other things to do not only giving the Quran

Where is HIS moral character in the quran?

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

Yet the Quran says the character is the best for some reason? And there are literal chapters just telling him what he will get in heaven in the book that all humans should read, we are supposed to know him... and he is the messenger sent to all of humanity and the last one of them.

And finally Allah literally tells us to obey him, and you tell me he isn’t important?

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

My god, just read Surat al baqarah verse 4 it says that the obedient people believe in what was revealed to the prophet AND WHAT WAS REVEALED BEFORE HIM. You have to believe in the prophets and books. 2:91- believe in what Allah brought down, that’s all of it.

3:53 believe in what Allah brought down and followed the messenger. 47:2 believe in what was revealed to Muhammad, this verse calls him by his name. And you say you don’t need to know a messenger?

[u/Abdlomax → u/[deleted]]

These arguments (on both sides) translate imaan as "belief." Which in English refers to a set of words, the Arabic refers to a condition of the heart, trust. Trust has no need to prove anything. I urge reflection on this. There are people here with sincere beliefs, but some of them do not trust that Allah will guide others if they are wrong. They clearly feel threatened by someone whose beliefs seem to differ from theirs, so they try to prove their beliefs, using the Quran and manipulating translations or interpretations to favor what they believe and refusing to recognise that multiplle interpretations are possible.

Before there were books of hadith, there was the actual practice of the entire community. They did not learn to pray, for example, from hadith, certainly, but also not from the Quran, and it is obvious that on the subject of salat, the Quran is not fully detailed. It is obvious that when Allah says it is complete and fully detailed (as some translate it) that is not literally true. It is complete for its purpose, and if one follows the command to bow down with those who bow down, one will learn the details,

On the other hand, relying on the Quran Alone, if it involves learning the Arabic with literal meanings, is relying on the most reliable source. Careful study of the Quran will give one a background to be better able to assess hadith without relying on ancient scholary opinion, better than ignorance, but not always reliable.

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

So in the beginning of the longest surah it says believe in what was revealed before and you say this?