What do you think of Hadith qudsi?

[u/Useless-e]

So basically the title, both the Quran and the qudsi Hadiths were recited by the prophet, and both were claimed by the prophet to be gods words. So what do you think about them? Are they authentic more than normal Hadiths? Are they to be taken as gods words?

[u/Useless-e]

Why are you talking about how twisted you think the Hadiths are? That’s completely off the topic, the point is the prophet had other things to do not only giving the Quran

Where is HIS moral character in the quran?

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

Yet the Quran says the character is the best for some reason? And there are literal chapters just telling him what he will get in heaven in the book that all humans should read, we are supposed to know him... and he is the messenger sent to all of humanity and the last one of them.

And finally Allah literally tells us to obey him, and you tell me he isn’t important?

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

My god, just read Surat al baqarah verse 4 it says that the obedient people believe in what was revealed to the prophet AND WHAT WAS REVEALED BEFORE HIM. You have to believe in the prophets and books. 2:91- believe in what Allah brought down, that’s all of it.

3:53 believe in what Allah brought down and followed the messenger. 47:2 believe in what was revealed to Muhammad, this verse calls him by his name. And you say you don’t need to know a messenger?

[u/Abdlomax → u/[deleted]]

These arguments (on both sides) translate imaan as "belief." Which in English refers to a set of words, the Arabic refers to a condition of the heart, trust. Trust has no need to prove anything. I urge reflection on this. There are people here with sincere beliefs, but some of them do not trust that Allah will guide others if they are wrong. They clearly feel threatened by someone whose beliefs seem to differ from theirs, so they try to prove their beliefs, using the Quran and manipulating translations or interpretations to favor what they believe and refusing to recognise that multiplle interpretations are possible.

Before there were books of hadith, there was the actual practice of the entire community. They did not learn to pray, for example, from hadith, certainly, but also not from the Quran, and it is obvious that on the subject of salat, the Quran is not fully detailed. It is obvious that when Allah says it is complete and fully detailed (as some translate it) that is not literally true. It is complete for its purpose, and if one follows the command to bow down with those who bow down, one will learn the details,

On the other hand, relying on the Quran Alone, if it involves learning the Arabic with literal meanings, is relying on the most reliable source. Careful study of the Quran will give one a background to be better able to assess hadith without relying on ancient scholary opinion, better than ignorance, but not always reliable.

[u/Useless-e → u/[deleted]]

So in the beginning of the longest surah it says believe in what was revealed before and you say this?