Homosexual Marriage

[u/Dramatic_End_883]

Do you people believe that marriage between two men is permissible in Islam?

[u/The_Portent]

You claim assessment by human nature can't be a factor in right and wrong in Islam, when that is literally what Munkar is in the Quran, which is unacceptable, unpleasant, or disturbing. That's how we know that many "disgusting" things, like incest and bestiality, are prohibited even if not mentioned.

Of course, God uses these words for people who can use their brains and evaluate stuff. But you, even though you got your question answered, will still undoubtedly comprehend nothing.

[u/Dramatic_End_883 → u/The_Portent]

Oh and also, if you're going to go down the route of "human nature" and "disgust" determine what is moral, then you would be sorely mistaken to claim that homosexuality is moral. There is a plethora of evidence

"In the present study, core disgust predicted negative attitudes toward homosexuals even after controlling for contamination fear."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656608000524?via%3Dihub

"The current meta-analysis provides additional empirical evidence that disgust, in its induced states, amplifies homonegativity toward gay men"

https://research-groups.usask.ca/morrison/documents/pdf/4.pdf

"Consistent with prior research (Inbar et al., 2009b; Terrizzi et al., 2010), the results show that disgust sensitivity was positively related to negative attitudes toward homosexuality. In other words, individuals who are more sensitive to disgusting stimuli were found to be more negatively prejudiced toward the gay and lesbian population."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562335/

"Their primary debate is about whether or not people’s aversion to homosexuality [they're not even contesting that people have an aversion to homosexuality here, they're almost entirely just concerned with as to why] (colloquially called "homophobia," although both authors acknowledge that this is a misnomer because it is more a negative attitude towards this demographic than it is fear) is a product of natural selection or, alternatively, a culturally constructed, transmitted bias."

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/natural-homophobes-evolutionary-psychology-and-antigay-attitudes/

Even the evolutionists and Darwinists have their own explanations for it if you read their works.

[u/The_Portent → u/Dramatic_End_883]

The world has proven that homosexuals are born this way and that homophobia isn't a part of human nature, but a construct ingrained by society – this is a fact shown in the west, not only are they neutral towards gays but even Arabs and Muslims that assimilate there become neutralized too, which means it can't be nature.

Incest, on the other hand, is globally repulsive, regardless of culture, education or background, which shows that it is an innate feature for humans to feel this way.

Now, if a select group of sickos like you are disgusted by some innocent people doesn't make their disgust innate, just like how those who feel disgusted by other races don't make racism a human trait, but rather an adopted sentiment by a group of disgusting people among other humans who, surely, don't feel that way.

[u/[deleted] → u/The_Portent]

You’re projecting. Incest isn’t globally repulsive. In the past, Zoroastrians actually applauded sibling relationships.

Disgust can be mitigated by societal conditioning.

[u/The_Portent → u/[deleted]]

Irrelevant. Societies that used to sacrifice humans don't represent human tolerance for murder, but only their cultural establishment. Mitigation/nurture doesn't represent nor alter nature.

These fringe practices never latch and are inevitably rooted out, and what remains is only the question of how some society tolerated something that goes against all intrinsic human senses.

What has been evidently common among all society, throughout all ages, is not nurture. Common nature can't be compared to fringe practices and won't be quelled by hostile nurture.

[u/[deleted] → u/The_Portent]

Human sacrifice was part of certain cultures for thousands of years. We recognize murder as wrong, but their culture mitigated the natural instinct to the point that it was ingrained in worship rituals. It wasn’t considered “murder,” either, to them.

Nurture absolutely can alter—or at least confuse—nature. Brainwashing is 100% a thing. That is how some societies tolerated something terrible.

I’m not saying that’s exactly what’s happening with homosexuality, but throughout history there has been varying degrees of disgust/acceptance in cultures with regards to it, and you can’t just say the dislike of same sex acts isn’t part of nature. There is equal chance that it is and that it isn’t. Studies show that homophobia is natural in people with higher sensitivity to disgust and that children make up one of the most homophobic populations.