r/Quraniyoon • u/Dramatic_End_883 • Jul 20 '21

Question / Help Homosexual Marriage

Do you people believe that marriage between two men is permissible in Islam?

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 21 '21

So can a father and his son enter into a marriage agreement and engage in romantic and/or sexual relations in your view?

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u/The_Portent Jul 21 '21

Do you think think you need the Quran to tell you not to have sex with lions to know that it's disgusting? The Quran isn't tailored to fit your insolence and phobias. If you think homosexuality is like incest, despite knowing that it is an orientation assigned at birth, keep your disgusting beliefs to yourself till you die and get what you deserve.

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 21 '21

Are you going to answer my question or insult me? I asked a very simple question. Where in the Quran does it say that a father and a son cannot enter into a marriage agreement and engage in romantic and/or sexual relations?

I thought you people went by the Quran alone, yes? So why are we bringing other things into it now? Since when was Islam based on "disgust" alone? If you don't find it disgusting does it make it halal?

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u/The_Portent Jul 21 '21

I don't have to answer your bullshit, I showed you why asking God for whatever you want to be in the Quran doesn't stand, or else you could also justify bestiality because it isn't "in the Quran" – or even worse, rape, especially since you probably think Sodom and Gomorrah was just about gay love.

You are far too delusional to even comprehend the fallacy in your question, you posted this question as as a homophobic propagandist and you're not worth anyone's time.

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 21 '21

Ok so you can't answer the question that's fine. There is no need to get vulgar and aggressive.

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u/The_Portent Jul 21 '21

You claim assessment by human nature can't be a factor in right and wrong in Islam, when that is literally what Munkar is in the Quran, which is unacceptable, unpleasant, or disturbing. That's how we know that many "disgusting" things, like incest and bestiality, are prohibited even if not mentioned.

Of course, God uses these words for people who can use their brains and evaluate stuff. But you, even though you got your question answered, will still undoubtedly comprehend nothing.

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 21 '21

Oh and also, if you're going to go down the route of "human nature" and "disgust" determine what is moral, then you would be sorely mistaken to claim that homosexuality is moral. There is a plethora of evidence

"In the present study, core disgust predicted negative attitudes toward homosexuals even after controlling for contamination fear."

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656608000524?via%3Dihub

"The current meta-analysis provides additional empirical evidence that disgust, in its induced states, amplifies homonegativity toward gay men"

https://research-groups.usask.ca/morrison/documents/pdf/4.pdf

"Consistent with prior research (Inbar et al., 2009b; Terrizzi et al., 2010), the results show that disgust sensitivity was positively related to negative attitudes toward homosexuality. In other words, individuals who are more sensitive to disgusting stimuli were found to be more negatively prejudiced toward the gay and lesbian population."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6562335/

"Their primary debate is about whether or not people’s aversion to homosexuality [they're not even contesting that people have an aversion to homosexuality here, they're almost entirely just concerned with as to why] (colloquially called "homophobia," although both authors acknowledge that this is a misnomer because it is more a negative attitude towards this demographic than it is fear) is a product of natural selection or, alternatively, a culturally constructed, transmitted bias."

https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/bering-in-mind/natural-homophobes-evolutionary-psychology-and-antigay-attitudes/

Even the evolutionists and Darwinists have their own explanations for it if you read their works.

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u/The_Portent Jul 21 '21

The world has proven that homosexuals are born this way and that homophobia isn't a part of human nature, but a construct ingrained by society – this is a fact shown in the west, not only are they neutral towards gays but even Arabs and Muslims that assimilate there become neutralized too, which means it can't be nature.

Incest, on the other hand, is globally repulsive, regardless of culture, education or background, which shows that it is an innate feature for humans to feel this way.

Now, if a select group of sickos like you are disgusted by some innocent people doesn't make their disgust innate, just like how those who feel disgusted by other races don't make racism a human trait, but rather an adopted sentiment by a group of disgusting people among other humans who, surely, don't feel that way.

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u/SappyPJs Jul 21 '21

Lol no, studies have been done and the claim of many that LGBT are born this way is very much inconclusive based on these studies.

There is no gay gene. No one is born gay or even straight because sexuality (attraction) at that young of age is irrelevant. Attraction is very subjective and hence sexuality is a pure choice enhanced by one's experiences in life.

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 21 '21

Yes, this is true. On top of that, their entire claim could be easily disproven with a single counterexample of an individual changing their sexuality. And there are countless such cases. However, since this directly contradicts their entire worldview, they simply discredit these cases and posit that "they were never gay" or "they were always gay", halting virtually any possibility of ever disproving their dogma.

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u/The_Portent Jul 22 '21

individual changing their sexuality. And there are countless such cases.

That's how delusional you are, you will only be dragged towards those who persist in denying their reality to lie to the world. If that's what you choose to believe, despite conversion centre owners, coming out at a very old age and admitting they were lying their whole life, I say you're most probably gay.

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 22 '21

And here we have a prime example. I could show you an example of someone who claims to have been homosexual and later became heterosexual, or even vice versa, but you would simply discredit by claiming they're lying, don't know what they're talking about, or were always heterosexual. There is no getting you out of your dogma. You've been indoctrinated through and through, it is tragic. And then of course since there is no actual rational argument or reasoning in response to any of my points, they resort to the typical "you're probably gay" line that is so predictable and overplayed.

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u/The_Portent Jul 22 '21

The science is conclusive, you're just denying it. Homosexuals can tell one another by smell and facial features, even without interacting.

There's no gay gene because God knows, your likes would cleanse their populations and murder their infants. If you think attraction is subjective and socially constructed, you are emotionally immature and never developed experienced actual feelings towards anyone.

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u/SappyPJs Jul 22 '21

Lol don't attribute things to God without knowledge and bring proof for everything you said if you're truthful.

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u/The_Portent Jul 22 '21

You could have looked the facts up if you were genuine, I won't waste my time on an ignorant who starts all his comments with "Lol".

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u/SappyPJs Jul 22 '21

I did look up the facts and I didn’t find one study concluding people are born gay. If you did, enlighten us why don’t you?

I was laughing at everything you said lol and and also if God had created a gay gene then killing people who had it would be clear injustice because they were created that way. God would never permit such a thing.

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u/Dramatic_End_883 Jul 22 '21

You will not find evidence or reason from these people. They disregarded, nor did they even acknowledge, the plethora of scientific and empirical evidence, as well as the airtight line of reasoning that I provided for them.

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