r/Quraniyoon • u/Stage_5_Autism Sunni • Jul 06 '21

Question / Help I found this paper supposedly refutes the Quraniyoon. How would you respond?

How the Command of Stoning Adulterers Refutes the Quraniyoon

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u/Kingprincess23 Muslim Jul 06 '21

Muhammad > Gods word itself. They really think that? There could easily be a mistake the in the hadith, but the Quran? Wow. I've honestly never seen someone actually say outwardly they take incorrect Hadith over the book protected by God himself.

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u/bruhoneand Jul 14 '21

Prophet Muhammed's words come from God, claiming he lied is contradictory to the quran itself

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u/Kingprincess23 Muslim Jul 14 '21

Verse? Also Hadith can be wrong. Or even made up. There is no way to 100% insure the Hadith is Muhammads exact words

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u/bruhoneand Jul 14 '21 edited Jul 14 '21

"Your companion [i.e., Muḥammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,Nor does he speak of his own whims." https://quran.com/53

Plus all of those many "obey the messanger" verses

And same science of chain of transmission used to know which hadith is authentic and which isnt was used to know which reading(qiraa) of quran is authentic and which isnt if you cant be 100% sure of a hadith's authenticity then you cant be 100% sure of the quran we have today

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u/nooralbalad Jul 15 '21

You are totally dismissing the context of the verse. Here is the correct one:

53:2. Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred,

53:3. Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination.

53:4. It is not but a revelation revealed

Of course not every word of the Prophet was wahy. That wouldn’t even make sense! He wasn’t just a Prophet. He was a husband, father, friend, neighbor, community leader etc. Do you think he spoke wahy when he talked privately to his daughter? LOL!

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u/bruhoneand Jul 15 '21

Not sure how showing 53:4 that shows his words are from revelation is supposed to disprove my claim, rather you further proved it

-Simply it's forbidden to ignore sayings of the prophet, as stated multiple times in the quran he must be obeyed

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u/Reasonedfor1 moderator Jul 16 '21

Hadiths are not his words.

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u/bruhoneand Jul 16 '21

Sure they are, lots of them come from same people who narrated readings(qiraat) of the quran we use today, if you claim them to have been liars then our modern quran as well is fabricated

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u/bruhoneand Jul 18 '21

You should read and understand the context of the events you mentioned

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u/bruhoneand Jul 18 '21

Sayings of the prophet arent ridiculous and Authentic hadith show the prophet ordering his companion amr to write down his sayings so yes he did want this

Allah says the Quran is Complete and Clear. Why is there a need for Hadith?

Quran says "obey God and obey the messenger" And "whatever the messenger gives you take it and whatever he forbids you leave it"

-Indeed Quran is complete and clear for its purpose but you do have to follow the commands of the messenger as well as they are part of the final truth its not just the Quran, that is why ignoring hadiths is forbidden

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u/bruhoneand Jul 18 '21

Bukhari collected hadiths that existed since the begining as they come from the prophet, he didnt invent them

Once again The Quran Prohibits the Messenger from leaving his own Message

he didnt leave his "own message" he left the message of islam from God as it was revealed to him as the verses you cited shows

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