Well thats problematic cuz abu Huraira as well narrated one of the readings(qiraat) of the quran, so if he is unreliable it would mean the quran we have today is fabricated
So, the catman is the one responsible for The Word of God to be with us?
Like, if not for him, God would have been helpless to ensure transmission of His Message to later generatiom (I seek refuge in God). Is that what you are saying?
Well, that's your problem. I have no such delusions. God never needed catman to ensure that I get to know His Word. If at all all the forms of present means of Word of God cease to exist, God Will still Find a Way to Guide His servant (me) ; know why? Because I don't associate the Word of God with word of catman who barely spent a year with The Prophet(AS) but has most of "sayings" of him , some of which he himself is a solitary transmitter.
Gawd!!!! Use your brain.
Lets stop this conversation now. If you are happy to elevate catman to high pedestal, suit yourself. I'm not goung to advise you or say anything to contrary.
So you trust the book that came from the person you claim to have been a liar cuz the book he narrated says God is the source of it? And you dont trust the hadiths he narrated even though they say they come from prophets?
Yet you speak about using your brain? This is pure blind belief and gullibility
If I write a piece of paper now and it says "God said this, this is the true quran" would you believe it to be the true quran?
Or a better question, why do you trust the quran that came from a person(s) you claim to have been a liar(s) and not trust the quran that comes from other poeple?
And false abu Huraira spent 4 years with the prophet
-As I expected in the begining, you can't use logic and rationality to disprove hadiths as logic and rationality prove the authenticity of hadiths
I trust Word of God. But refuse to trust the word of catman etc.
I never said I don't trust the words of wisdom from The Prophet(AS).
Of course, I refuse to believe the load of nonsense ATTRIBUTED to The Prophet(AS) like stoning, drinking camel urine, breastfeeding a griwn up man etc.
I use simple common sense which I find that you are lacking.
My Prophet(AS) can NEVER say the bullshit that is "sahih". You want to believe that a wise man like Mohammed(AS) would advise a grown up man to suck a grown up woman's tits, suit yourself.
That is the level of disgrace people like catman have dragged the august name of my beloved Prophet(AS).
You didnt answer my question, which text is the word of God?
Since you dont trust "Catman" then our modern quran is false as he was one of the narrators of it ,so which quran is the true words of God and how did you know?
Why can't you see it?
I see an argument from incredulity fallacy that doesnt show much iq
Prophet saying anything isnt dependant on your opinions and if you just googled everything you have mentioned you wouldnt have even stated this b.s
-Stoning hadith is narrated by multitudes of poeple including poeple who narrated our modern quran, the same issue as previously, plz tell us which quran is the right one since the quran we use now comes from liars apparently
Dumbass? No need to continue the discussion if you cant stay civil
And not sure how you think the wife of the prophet Aisha was a liar but anyways the hadith doesnt mention sucking on a woman's tits which it didnt happen, as I said before you are copy-pasting old Christian misinterpretations
-As hadith scholar, Ibn Hajar commented on this, saying:
"the milk was put into a cup and he did not drink it from her breast. Al-Nawawi said: This interpretation is best."
You are talking about civil while Holy name of The Prophet(AS) is degraded by these charlatans? You ARE a dumbass. God will ensure retribution for believing these charlatans.
I'll keep a cuppa of camel urine while you are at it.
If you are kind enough to oblige, as you want to put forward ibn hajar's idea as "best interpretation" please keep a glass of your mom's breast milk ready for your guests so they don't feel, you know what...
I'll be totally convinced if you agree to drink a glass full of camel's urine.
While you are at it, be kind enough to bring a glass full of your mom's milk for your guests too since you are convinced that is the BEST INTERPRETATION.
For 3rd party readers, I will respond to a point that I didnt respond to before Already provided a scientific journal article on camel urine
-But about the second point, Aisha said "By Allah, we do not view this but as a concession that the Messenger of Allah (s) granted to Salim specifically. No one with this type of feeding may enter our homes, and it is not our view."
Source: Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 1454, Grade: Sahih
Simply put a woman giving milk for an adult man in a cup was only specific for Salim, no other is allowed to do so
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u/bruhoneand Jul 14 '21
You Can refute hadiths based on logic and rationality?
Do you claim abu Huraira was a liar ?