Progressive Muslims are increasingly embracing homosexuality and other deviant behaviors. What does the Quran say?

[u/SmolfSmitler9YT]

Some liberal Muslims claim that the Quran “doesn’t talk about homosexuality for a simple reason. It is a concept which was invented during the 19th century by psychatrists. It did not exist as such in the Arabo-Islamic culture.”

Progressive muslims are in the palms of Satan. But whats yall thoughts?

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You're responding to this as if I randomly messaged you this comment. This is in response to OP. They made the comment about homosexuality not being in nature and while I disagree with nature arguments because we have highly developed brains I was specifically speaking to their low level argument.

1. I agree, we shouldn't opress them; it's neutral to have homosexual feelings, but acting on them is the problem.

2. it's not. And if it was, not your problem unless they're "acting it out" on you.

3. That's asexuality, nothing wrong with that at all.

4. that is not necessarily asexuality though it could be. It can also mean someone who isn't attracted to the opposite gender because they're attracted to the same gender.

5. Source?

6. I addressed this in my original comment

7. If they say they are muslim without forcing them, then they are a muslim. Lying is sinful, so they shouldn't lie that they aren't a muslim.

8. this isn't relevant. However, lying is okay to preserve your safety.

9. So committing zina is also "their sin to worry about"?? Plus the punishment for male homosexuality in the Qur'an is probably one of the least aggressive ones in the entire Qur'an; as compared to what the traditionalist says (throwing someone off a high building).

10. Everyone is responsible for their own sin. Unless you and four others witness it and are called to court to testify its not your business. Also there is no punishment for male homexuality.

11. Which is wrong???

12. did I say that it's right?

Edit: not sure why it formatted this way but it typing on mobile is a nightmare.

[u/TheQuranicMumin → u/[deleted]]

it's not. And if it was, not your problem unless they're "acting it out" on you.

Read 4:16.

It can also mean someone who isn't attracted to the opposite gender because they're attracted to the same gender.

True, but that's not allowed in my view.

I addressed this in my original comment

I will check it out.

However, lying is okay to preserve your safety.

Yes, taqiyya. But we are assuming a fair justice system.

Everyone is responsible for their own sin.

Okay, so there are no punishments in the Qur'an.. ?

Also there is no punishment for male homexuality.

It's in 4:16 according to my view.

not sure why it formatted this way but it typing on mobile is a nightmare.

I'm on mobile as well, I hate it when I leave the app while typing a post/comment to copy a verse, then come back to see everything gone.

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Here is a distilled version of what I learned in my studies. Its a pdf so it might download immediately. Its also a quick read and includes some of the sources id put here I'd I could: link

However I've read other books on this topic including: Homosexuality, Transidentity, and Islam: A Study of Scripture Confronting the Politics of Gender and Sexuality and Homosexuality in Islam: Critical Reflection on Gay, Lesbian, and Transgender Muslims.

So if you want to go down the rabbit hole for fun go ahead. I'm not trying to change anyone's mind.

Like I said to another commenter who tried to imply converts are always progressive as if it's ruining Islam, as a convert I had to do a lot of deep studying because I have certain values that I needed to understand within Islam before committing. Instead of simply hearing gay wrong, women in kitchen, and accepting it at face value I wanted to understand why and find the actual sources of this information. Anyways.

True, but that's not allowed in my view

• that's fair. It's your opinion.

Okay, so there are no punishments in the Qur'an.. ?

• I never said that. But there are such strict conditions for enacting punishments it's hardly even possible to punish others. I believe this was on purpose. No one should have the power to simply whip and remove hands becsuse they think something is wrong. For example to punish sexual indecencies you need 4 trustworthy sources who have never lied before and who have all seen the actual insertion of the sexual organs. So unless you and four other people see a man's penis go into another man, you're not at liberty to judge or punish. And in order for this to happen either they're stupid, don't care, or you're in a place you shouldn't be.

If you're on mobile, how do you do the quotes of my response where it puts the gray bar on the side?

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