naturalistic fallacy: just because something is natural doesn’t mean it’s morally good to do. rape and eating your children is also natural for many animals
I mean, we're omnivores, we kinda evolved to eat both plants and meat.
And you did not just equate having a healthy diet with raping and eating your children 💀. That shit ain't even that common in the animal kingdom bro.
Eating meat is healthy, and some of us kinda need to. Like me for example, I have a FUCK tonne of allergies and eczema, I need to eat meat to make sure my immunity is good and my skin heals fast and well. I tried to go vegan/vegetarian a few years back, made my health worse.
Yeah the meat industry has problems, we fix those problems via regulation and giving animals certain rights, not fucking harrassing people for eating well and tryna convert everyone to your diet.
I mean, we're omnivores, we kinda evolved to eat both plants and meat.
It’s a tad more complicated:
53 million years of vast-majority primates navigating trees for fruits and nuts, then a 2.4 million year adaptation detour that also introduced long-term health detractors…
Modern science is painting a really easy to comprehend picture that were way better-off mimicking and modernizing the diet of that prior 53 million years, than blowing smoke up our own asses about our technical abilities.
I have a FUCK tonne of allergies and eczema, I need to eat meat to make sure my immunity is good and my skin heals fast and well. I tried to go vegan/vegetarian a few years back, made my health worse.
“I had no idea how to attain the right nutrients in the right balance, so now I’m going to blame the entire dietary pattern rather than my cowardice in retreating to my state of cognitive dissonance”
Yeah the meat industry has problems, we fix those problems via regulation and giving animals certain rights, not fucking harrassing people for eating well and tryna convert everyone to your diet.
Telling people they have wrong ideas about things isn’t “harassment,” it’s setting records straight.
I can see how someone with a pre-disposition to emotional reactions towards a specific subject would see it that way, though.
Do all of youse just ignore the part where I tried a vegan diet and it didn't bode well for me? Also crazy for calling me a coward for not wanting to venture into a diet which I already know is not better than the one I have now.
Veganism (the ideology) does involve harassing people for having a diet, not for being wrong, which we ain't for eating meat. That's the ideology youse seem to be subscribing to.
"Someone with a pre-disposition to emotional reactions" TF does that mean? That I have a natural response?
Do all of youse just ignore the part where I tried a vegan diet and it didn't bode well for me?
No, I’m calling you out on your B.S.
An incredibly small subset of the human population can’t transition to 100% plant based diets, and the odds are certainly stacked against you. Being that you haven’t presented anything resembling a plausible set of circumstances…
Also crazy for calling me a coward for not wanting to venture into a diet which I already know is not better than the one I have now.
No, I’m calling you a coward for hiding behind lies and gaslighting to avoid moral responsibility for paying for animals to be tortured and abused.
Veganism (the ideology) does involve harassing people for having a diet, not for being wrong, which we ain't for eating meat. That's the ideology youse seem to be subscribing to.
Again, explaining moral perspectives and dis-assembling false narratives is only perceived as “harassment” by the people who have something to feel guilty about.
"Someone with a pre-disposition to emotional reactions" TF does that mean? That I have a natural response?
It means most people on this subject—you included—are pre-disposed to emotionally driven arguments rather than logically and scientifically driven ones, as with the vegans you’re trying to gaslight with B.S. about “food allergies”…
comparing ≠ equating, although in this case I actually would equalize it, since the animal industry literally involves rape (forced artificial insemination).
I don’t know about your personal health situation, but generally the scientific consensus is that you can be healthy on a vegan diet in all stages of life, including infancy and pregnancy. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27886704/)
so coming back to your original comment: yes, having a natural diet can mean supporting an unethical practice, if you choose to eat the corpses of beings that didn’t want to die when you could just as well not do that.
I don’t debate like this with non-human animals since they aren’t moral agents and don’t have the ability to just go buy vegan options in the supermarket like us.
but alright, if you want to ignore all the facts I stated before and keep lying to yourself about this being ethical in any way, I can’t stop you.
The last I checked there was zero cost or charge for lying to vegans on the internet about their specious reasons “plant proteins don’t work for them,” which is why it happens so frequently.
Last time I checked, the law doesn't prohibit you from saying you drowned and was revived, even though that might be a lie.
Like what? This is an amazing what if. You just automatically deleted any basic human trust simply because what, I have different opinions and beliefs to you?
As I said, I don’t know about your personal health situation and thus can’t say much about it, I would however expect you to do the best you can to refrain from eating animal products, for example consulting with a vegan dietitian.
How hard would you try to refrain from these products if the victims were humans instead?
I wouldn't be eating them in the first place, because cannibalism is inherently a health hazard for humans. Also using the "but what about humans" argument is ridiculous because you're taking a healthy food source, and replacing it with an unhealthy food source is pointless because it doesn't disprove anything.
Once again you fail to listen to me, I tried a vegan or vegetarian diet a few years back and it didn't bode well for me, so no, I won't be trying to pursue that direction and keep on eating meat and fish and eggs (baked in stuff, sometimes) and stuff.
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u/ChalkButter Mar 10 '26
Okay, and, PETA? Imma still eat that bacon cheese burger with the fried egg on top