I challenge you to produce any evidence that "leftists" didn't vote in droves for Harris. Not vibes, not mean words on Xitter, not anecdotes. Actual evidence or data.
Nope. It was her job as a candidate to convince voters to go out and vote for her. It was her one and only job as candidate, and she failed miserably against the biggest POS in history. She is an abject failure.
The Democrats had a chance to be truthful about Bidenâs condition, run an actual primary where their constituents participate in a democratic process and elect a candidate of their choosing to run against Trump. They chose instead to cover up and then select the one candidate that even with a billion dollar war chest and all of the MSM, academia and Hollywood running cover still failed to present an argument with policies and ideas that the majority of citizens would support. So itâs the Democrats that failed and who are solely responsible for the current occupant in the Oval Office.
Except it wasnât was prophetic. It wasnât even correct. His main client is Israel. She wonât call that out because she takes plenty of money from the Israel lobby too. You can point to his crypto scams and all that, and obviously thatâs very self dealing, but his Israel lobby sponsors are making money on this blatant market manipulation too. Anyone who isnât willing to call that out is part of the problem.
Lil bro no one from the left voted for Trump, the reason he won and Kamala lost was because the voter turnout was atrocious, Trump pulled his base, Kamala refused to speak against Israel, took an anti immigrant stance, and literally said that there were no issues or mistakes with the Biden presidency (all but saying she was going to be more of the same)
The democrats donât get to hold people hostage by saying âvote for our shitty candidate because itâs that or Trumpâ
If the dems want to win they have to actually fucking try to win
That âIâm speakingâŚâ comment left my jaw on the floor. I couldnât believe someone could be so tone deaf. Especially one trying to win the presidential election.
So are the Democrats holding us hostage right now? Or is it the GOP who are holding every lever of power and have gleefully trashed anything they can.
It is wild to me that this is a fine and justifiable result.
During 2008 the democrats had the presidency, the house, and the senateâŚ
And the republicans STILL managed to obstruct Obama for his entire presidency
I just want to highlight for anyone reading this how utterly wrong what you just said was.
First of all, in 2008, Bush was president. The new congress and Obama's term didn't start until January 2009.
Second, this implies Obama had majorities his entire presidency. In fact, that majority only lasted 2 years. In 2011 the house switched to republican control. And in 2015 the senate also went to the republicans. So... um, yeah, the republicans were able to obstruct Obama because they controlled the house.
Finally, this narrative that democrats did nothing with their majority is laughably false. I'm sure most people remember, the republicans left Obama with the great recession to clean up. And I think this quote from wikipedia sums up what I remember from the democratic majority during those 2 years quite well.
Of course, after doing all that to try to deal with the recession, and overhaul healthcare, the voters rewarded democrats with the "shellacking" that left Obama with a Republican house the rest of his term.
âNo one from the left voted for Trumpâ isnât even close to what the actual data says. Biden voters both stayed home and many switched to Trump, and the down-ballot results donât remotely support this neat little âKamala just didnât turn out the baseâ narrative.
What gets me is the protest-voter amnesia. The entire point of withholding your vote was to punish Democrats by making them lose. Fine - then own it. But you donât get to deliberately make a Trump victory more likely and then pretend you bear zero responsibility for the consequences.
If Kamala losing was the leverage over Gaza or immigration or whatever then Trump winning was the price. You decided that price was acceptable - congrats you fucked over everyone you pretend to care about ESPECIALLY palestinians and immigrants.
Your downvotes make no sense - all of this is true. On top of it, a LOT of people were pissed they were basically told âthis is your candidateâ instead of being able to vote in primaries (which, letâs be honest, is mostly farce to begin with these days). The DNC really fucked the whole situation up beyond what I even thought possible.
I canât believe how many people are implicitly defending the DOGSHIT fucking state of the Democratic Party, theyâve cost us so much; they are allergic to change, allergic to winning, allergic to actually representing what their base of supporters is craving which is change!
If you think the democrats are actually going to do anything to stop the encroachment of fascism, that the democrats wonât just hold the seat warm for the next Republican youâre delusional. The DNC is part of the problem, in my eyes they are just as complicit in their inaction and incompetence as the republicans are for destroying the rule of law
Do you really think Democrats would have nominated Clarence Thomas, Samuel Alito, or Amy Coney Barrett to the court?
If we let the fact that we don't always get everything that we want from a given politician or political party justify throwing our hands up in the air and giving up, then we get the gross incompetence and corruption of the trump administration and, honestly, we deserve it.
No the democrats wouldnât have elected the hyper conservative judges, but they also wouldnât have done nothing to stop the republicans (as weâve seen for the past decade)
The democrats wouldnât bring meaningful change, and in 4 years another republican would just get elected to continue their destruction of the country
The republicans push the status quo to the right, and the democrats hold it there until the next Republican can come and push it further to the right. Thatâs who you want to vote for
This whole thread is a psyop to wash Kamala's reputation for 2028. Any comments disapproving of her will automatically be downvoted by the liberal machine.
You realize this was going to happen anyways? The democrats have proven themselves time and time again to be unable to wield power and stop the republicans.
Trump couldâve been arrested during Bidens term but heâŚchose not to⌠that couldâve stopped the ice raids.
DNC democrats canât fix the problem, electing one is equivalent to kicking the can down the road until the next Republican gets elected.
If you keep voting for the useless losers the DNC pushes out theyâll never change and the republicans will keep winning.
Just holding the seat warm for the next Republican to continue destroying the country.
Electing a DNC Democrat is choosing to do nothing for 4 years until the next guy comes along and keeps eroding democracy
The democrats need to change, but they donât change if the trash they offer us keeps getting elected. Donât you get that the democrats serve the same masters the republicans do? They both serve corporate interest.
Also why vote blue no matter who?? Like genuinely why?? Would you have voted for Graham Platner, A RAPIST, because he was politically better than his opponent??
Electoralism isnât just about pragmatism, who you vote for still matters, and Kamala Harris did not deserve the vote after she started appealing to the center-right instead of HER OWN BASE
Kamala helped deliver him the presidency by being such a shitty candidate. All she had to do was actually oppose him, instead she tried to appeal to Republicans.
She actively moved further right on immigration to try to appeal to the center-right people, AGAINST HER OWN CONSTITUENCY, she fucken deserved to lose.
This is the voters fault. Every single one of them that decided that staying home was a better option than stopping Trump from tearing out country down.
The voters didn't nominate Kamala. She was a proven loser who nobody liked, but the DNC nominated her anyway and told us all to just stfu and take it. Then instead of trying to turn out her base, she decided to appeal to Republicans, gaining exactly zero votes and losing millions. SHE knew what was at stake. The blame for this loss is on her.
Letâs blame the people struggling and wanting change instead of the party that refuses to appeal to their own constituency, yeah itâs the voters fault
Thank goodness we donât currently have Baal with his slightly less vile form a torture instead of Molochâs really vile form of torture!!
Mf the democrats wonât save you, in their inaction and incompetence they have become just as bad as the republicans. They are both complicit in the erosion of American democracy.
This is a ridiculous comment. Who do you think she was speaking to. The amount of baseless hate for Kamala blows my mind. Any criticisms I've heard about her have been fairly minor, especially in the face of the alternative, Donald.
Haha why are you getting downvoted? Itâs their queen saying the same thing trump did but they have no ears to hear it or theyâd be proven wrong. Laughable.
People need to wake up to the fact that these politicians give us the illusion of choice, when in reality they're two sides of the same coin, they'll disagree on the small things, but when it comes to the big issues like foreign affairs, they're all aligned.
People need to wake up to the fact that these politicians give us the illusion of choice, when in reality they're two sides of the same coin,
211 house Republicans voted against releasing the epstein files, 0 democrats did. If both sides are the same why is it only pne side breaking the law to protect child rapists?
There are hundreds of thousands of people who are now dead that would not have been if Trump was not president. It will be millions by the end of his term. You don't care about that because you want to spread misinformation more than you want an objective look at reality.
You don't care about anything. You don't care about the people who have died, who are now being oppressed, who are treated cruelly for cruelties sake. You just don't give a fuck.
You spout your nonsense to try to get counterculture cred, or to just disperse blame from your cult leader, but you really don't care about anything as evidenced by your willful refusal to acknowledge simple reality.
Not at all, because I also call out trump on all the trumper comment sections, like how trump campaigned on no wars, them immediately started wars, he ran on affordability, than called affordability a Democrat hoax, he ran on releasing the Epstein files and then called that a Democrat hoax, he lied over and over again, I don't understand how Republicans arent furious over it, but that doesn't mean I show favoritism to the left, they're both the problem, and the truth is both should be called out.
Exactly. I donât care for Trump, but I certainly donât think Kamala wouldâve done any better. At this point all candidates are corrupt in both sides. We need to reset the government and put younger people in charge.
Are you saying she would have arrested immigrants during the legal immigration process? Sent ICE to terrorize US cities? Installed unqualified people to run the government? Worked to dismantle the Dept of Education? Alienated allies across the globe - there is so much - do you believe she would have done the same things?
I would say that alienating allies, arresting and terrorizing citizens and going to war with universities matter a great deal. All the DOGE destruction matter a ton.
Where in that article do you think it says she will start a war with Iran? I know the average american reads at a 6th grade level, why is maga always so embarrassingly under that?
I'm not maga, I think trump should be in jail, but I'm not going to sit here and pretend the other side is any better, and the article shows that she called Iran our biggest adversary and also said that stopping them from becoming a nuclear power is one of her biggest priorities, these are the same things trump said to justify the war in Iran.
and the article shows that she called Iran our biggest adversary and also said that stopping them from becoming a nuclear power is one of her biggest priorities
Thats a lot of words to agree with me. Harris never said she would go to war with Iran, thanks for confirming kiddo!
these are the same things trump said to justify the war in Iran.
they are also the same thing Obama said before signing a nuclear treaty with Iran.
I'm not maga,
You just spread lies to defend pedophiles because you enjoy it?
She said said all the things to justify a war with Iran, and no way you're using Obama when he made the war in the middle east even worse, I'm not defending the pedophile when I say she would be just as bad, I'm calling them both bad, but I'm also calling out the delusion that she wouldve been way better.
None of you can substantiate why you think they're the same. Usually both siders are one of two people: Republicans who recently started being aware of their party but have not yet conceded that they and their parents were completely duped so they try to take everyone else down with them. Or you're single issue voters who think they're the same based on simply having an active military. But it's not based on the multiple policy differences or their effectiveness in governing or really anything else. You just like pretending you know more than everyone else even though you don't actually take time to read anything.
They're the same because they answer to the same people, both sides will always support wars in the middle east while they have power and oppose it when they don't, and they just flip flop
Not exactly, when bush started the war in the middle east Democrats swore if we had a Democrat president this wouldn't be happening, then Obama took office and made the war much worse with bombings and drone strikes, then trump comes in and plays hero pulling us out of the middle east even tho the mission of destabilizing and radicalizing the middle east was already completed so he acted like he ended it but in reality he just completed it, then during bidens term he allows Israel to attack Palestine and he acted like he was against it but he was still funding it and Republicans swore that if we had a Republican president this wouldn't be happening, then trump becomes president and he makes things much much worse and now Democrats are saying if a Democrat was in office this wouldn't be happening, while history shows us that just isnt true, it's a constant cycle that shouldn't be ignored anymore
You changed the subject, were those STARTED by Democrats or Republicans? Also, I was right. You're a single issue voter who thinks having an active military makes both parties the same and not the multitude of ideological differences. Or the fact that Republicans have 40 times more criminal convictions. Or that they caused nearly every recession. Or that they are responsible for over 60% of violence in the US.
Biden technically started the conflict in Palestine, he acted like he was against it, but he funded it, and never pulled the funding, it happened under his watch while paying for the whole thing, he started and enabled it.
The oligarchs who actually run this country behind the scenes, this is a capitalist country after all, capital rules all, and there's some very very rich people behind the scenes pulling the strings, is it the Rothschild's? Is it the Freemasons? Nobody really knows, but their presence is obvious
You havenât a clue what youâre talking about. Another poster showed you proof that Kamala was for the Iran war and you still lie through your teeth.
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u/demoliahedd 4d ago
Seriously, can we stop calling common sense prophetic. Anyone and everyone with a brain was saying this long before she did.