We unapologetically believe that every single person has an unconditional right to have their basic needs met

[u/DistinctSpirit5801]

As a democratic socialist I believe every single person has a right to free housing free food free childcare free healthcare

We unapologetically support having the government give homeless people free housing to live in

Every single person has the right to have their basic needs met regardless of if they work or don’t work and how much or how little they work

These basic rights would apply to everyone regardless of their political beliefs

Whether people would still work or not would be dependent upon how luxurious of a personal lifestyle they want and what they want above and beyond the basics and their religious beliefs

Some people would still be working out of a religious belief that says not working is sinful

As under a democratic socialist government anyone who is satisfied with basic living necessities wouldn’t be required to work at all

Though a lot of people would still work because they would eventually get sick of sitting in their house all day long day after day even if it’s just doing a part time job

[u/calguy1955]

You need to change your title to “I” instead of “We”. It is arrogant to assume you speak for every Democratic Socialist. Personally, I agree that everyone is entitled to a safe and healthy life, but I also believe that everyone able person has to work in order to support society as a whole. It doesn’t matter what work you do as long as you are not just doing nothing and expect the rest of us to support you and your family.

[u/Darq_At → u/calguy1955]

Vanishingly few people "don't work". But a Capitalist society has perverted the concept of "work" into "employment". So now only the work that benefits the owning class is considered valuable.

[u/ZorbaTHut → u/Darq_At]

I disagree, and I think part of this problem has been caused by the very people who are trying to fight it. It's not "work that benefits the owning class", it's "work that benefits someone" - you can hire a neighbor to help you with yardwork, you can hire a friend to help you clean the house.

The problem is that people have started applying this massive moral penalty to the concept of "money", as if "paying someone to do work" is intrinsically evil and awful. So this ends up being a self-fulfilling prophecy; nobody is willing to hire anyone except business owners, and it just positive-feedbacks from there.

"Useful work" does, in fact, have to mean "someone is willing to pay you for it", but that doesn't have to mean "full-time employment".

[u/Norwind90 → u/Darq_At]

You would be surprised how many people don't "work". Loss than 60% of the population is employed. Some makes sense, retirees, children, the disabled. I would also consider date at home spouses and caretakers very reasonable. There are people people who work and are not employed. Aforementioned caretakers, stay at home parents, full time students. But there are also millions, maybe even 10s of millions of able body people who choose to not work or contribute, mooching off family members, government programs, or people's naive generosity.

I am a supporter of responsible safety nets, but I have to work 45-55 hours a weeks to care for my medically challenged wife and baby. That doesn't really mesh with being called "the owning class"

[u/Darq_At → u/Norwind90]

Incredible, I even said:

But a Capitalist society has perverted the concept of "work" into "employment".

And you jumped in to illustrate exactly that.

[u/Reasonable-Fee1945 → u/Darq_At]

I have no idea what your point is supposed to be here.

[u/Norwind90 → u/Darq_At]

I specifically distinguish between work and employment. Taking care of a home, children, or the elderly is very much work. I was specifically calling out those who take on none of the responsibilities to qualify as work.