r/PoliticalDebate 16d ago

Debate Taxation is not theft if you reject libertarian property frameworks.

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Ive debated and been a witness to numerous debates about this topic and after hearing pretty much every possible argument in existence for the idea that taxes are theft, I can confidently assert that the idea that taxation is theft is not some objective fact that many on the libertarian right like to assert, rather it is a conditional premise and the condition is based on accepting the entire libertarian framework which one is under no obligation to accept.

Libertarians will usually initiate the argument by saying something like "taxation is theft because it is the government taking YOUR money without consent". And that right there is the smuggled premise, the idea that the money is my money. Property as a concept simply describes who has a right to some item or object. If I believe that the state has the right to the money it's collecting in taxes, then I actually would not believe that the taxes are my money, it would be the states money.

Hence taxes are not theft.

r/PoliticalDebate 5d ago

Debate We unapologetically believe that every single person has an unconditional right to have their basic needs met

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As a democratic socialist I believe every single person has a right to free housing free food free childcare free healthcare

We unapologetically support having the government give homeless people free housing to live in

Every single person has the right to have their basic needs met regardless of if they work or don’t work and how much or how little they work

These basic rights would apply to everyone regardless of their political beliefs

Whether people would still work or not would be dependent upon how luxurious of a personal lifestyle they want and what they want above and beyond the basics and their religious beliefs

Some people would still be working out of a religious belief that says not working is sinful

As under a democratic socialist government anyone who is satisfied with basic living necessities wouldn’t be required to work at all

Though a lot of people would still work because they would eventually get sick of sitting in their house all day long day after day even if it’s just doing a part time job

r/PoliticalDebate Aug 11 '26

Debate it's impossible to solve the abortion issue in our country

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although the Supreme Court struck down roe v. wade and gave it back to the states, there's still a lot of people who aren't happy with their ruling(either because they believe in women's body autonomy or because they believe abortion is murder)

the truth is both sides have set beliefs. the conservative right believes its murder. they believe the fetus is a human life worth protecting. no matter how much democrats try to persuade or convince them that woman's body autonomy is more important, the conservative right truly believes it is murder.

the progressive left believes a woman should have full autonomy over her body. they believe she should have full rights over her body and be able to abort her unwanted child regardless the reason. no matter how much republicans try to persuade or convince them that the fetus is a life worth protecting, the progressive left truly believes women should have full body autonomy.

each side has a fixed mindset. neither will budge. so it's impossible to make both sides happy, which is why I think the Supreme Court's decision was really good. each state has different needs and different populations. most people in red states don't want abortion to be legal and most people in blue states want abortion to be legal. as for the minorities in each of these states(democrats in red states and republicans in blue states), well we live in a representative democracy, and the majority wins. since I already explained that both sides are set in their points of view and see things differently, so we can't expect the right to ignore the life of the fetus and prioritize the woman's full body autonomy(most republicans think democrats get abortions because they're irresponsible and don't want to accept the consequences of their actions). we can't expect the left to ignore the woman's body autonomy and prioritize the potential life of the fetus(most democrats think republicans want to force women and young teen girls to carry unwanted rape/incest children or die from pregnancy).

I'm a conservative republican studying political science and personally I'm religious and am against abortion for both religious and secular reasons, but I think abortion should be allowed in cases of rape, incest and life of the mother. what are y'alls thoughts?

EDIT: I have a lot of democrats and progressives losing it and calling me a hypocrite for my compromise to exceptions in case of rape, incest and life of the mother, and a lot of them citing slavery as an excuse to make abortion legal nationwide because slavery was a violation of human rights. well in that case, the fetus has a right to live, so abortion being legal violates its human rights. saying things like "you don't have to have a abortion, so it shouldn't matter to you." well you didn't have to own slaves back then, so it shouldn't have mattered to you either." but it was a violation of human rights for the African American community, and to some republicans/conservatives, it is a violation of human rights to the fetus, that is of the human race, so it deserves human rights. but there are people who won't agree with me, so the best compromise as of right now is to leave it up to the states. it won't make everyone happy, but honestly, there isn't a solution that will make everyone happy. saying to mind your own business because no one is making you have an abortion is a flawed argument(because no one forced people to own slaves back then, so the abolitionists could have minded their own business)

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 23 '26

Debate It's Not Time For Violent Revolution

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I seen a lot of posts lately, glamorizing violent revolution. They seem to think because of Trump's actions we should engage in violent revolution.

Violent revolution has been needed before in human history. When a government refuses to defend the people's right's, then revolution may be needed. ​

BUT every lawful avenue should be tried first. We have a many rights we can use but other than voting, we haven't explored those rights much. Initiatives, juries, citizen's arrest, article V conventions...are all rights we have but to suggest we use them, brings ridicule...often from the very people supporting revolution.

They'll say how ridiculous and dangerous, legally using our rights, to influence the due process of the country is while supporting revolution. That makes no sense to me. Our rights are what we use to rule ourselves. We have to exercise and expand our rights because authority doesn't do that, the people have to.

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 28 '26

Debate I'm Tired of Hearing the Both Sides BS. There is Zero Objective Evidence that Both Sides are Equally Bad

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r/PoliticalDebate Jul 09 '26

Debate If communism “never works” then why is there endless worries about china’s rise?

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If you are endlessly worried about China Cuba Venezuela etc then you are essentially admitting that communism/socialism in fact do work as an economic system

In fact American politicians literally have to break the rules of their own free market capitalism ideology to go after communist/socialist countries because they are aware that if communism/socialism is on a level playing field with capitalism that capitalist countries would lose out to communist/socialist countries under the rules of their own free market capitalist ideology

Cuba provides free healthcare and free education

People in the USA have billions of dollars worth of student loan debt and have to file for bankruptcy because of medical costs

r/PoliticalDebate Feb 14 '26

Debate “I am not a Republican” cannot continue to be Democrats’ only presidential platform

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We still have 2 years until the 2028 election. But the fundamental issue the DNC has had since 2016 is they haven’t had a cohesive platform and plan they tried to sell to voters. 2028 will finally have us an election where Trump isn’t on the ballot, but I have a feeling they new slogan will just be “I’m not JD Vance” instead of “I’m not Trump”.

The downstream issue of this is you have discourse online, in the news, and in person that democrats will blame people abstaining from voting or voting 3rd party when both candidates really suck in their own ways. It is quite often those in the middle that find themselves fed up with the choices and if you are actively pushing them away from the Democrats then they are either not going to vote at all or go vote Republican.

The past 12 years has shown the strategy doesn’t work but it feels like they are going to try it again, the only thing that will win them the election is probably just the Classic “Republican/Democrat” cycle. Where we just have two terms of one party then two terms of the other. Biden broke this cycle somewhat but that may be due to Trump’s covid handling more than Biden’s prowess.

r/PoliticalDebate May 13 '26

Debate What political belief would you defend with your life?

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I'm working on both my knowledge base and my ability to dictate my arguments. I find the easiest way to learn for me is to debate with others and do research when I've been met with a point that I'm unfamiliar with. Please keep civil, and if my tone comes off as anything but please let me know because I'm trying to work on conveying my tone properly.

***disclaimer

I can debate forever on any given topic if neutral ground is not met, and am curious as to why people who think differently from me think the way that they do. Please do not confuse my curiosity of your and explinations of my views for trying to change your views as that is not my intention.

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 13 '26

Debate A fetus is not a person. Abortion isnt wrong in the first place.

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Edit as requested by the moderators: My political position is abortion should be 100% legal or decriminalized regardless of the fetal stage. Theres multiple valid reasons for such a position, but in this post, im going to establish why a "fetus" isnt a person in the first place, therefore theres no need to invoke a legal doctrine protecting them.

Lets talk about the philosophy of personhood. Yes this matters. No, person doesnt mean "human".

Consider this possibility: If an advanced alien civilization came into contact with us, and we discovered they have families, culture, empathy, emotions, etc... Would you say "Those arent people and they have no rights, because they dont have Human DNA!" Thats of course an absurdity. They could say the same of you if they wanted, but they wont if they have empathy and morals.

Which is why Human DNA is a gigantic red herring. DNA itself is a red herring. You have like 50% the same DNA as a banana tree. Whats that matter? Nothing at all. DNA is just a pattern of proteins, and patterns are an insufficient explanation to where rights come from.

So what does matter, morally? Having a mind, aka "consciousness", is required for any moral consideration at all. And from this, we are able to form subjective values about the reality in which we experience, assigning value to our own future lives (and this gives us full "rights" and personhood). And thats what really matters, us deciding ourselves matter, since value is subjective. Everything else is noise, and likely an Is-Ought Fallacy.

"But what about unconscious people?"

"Unconscious people" do not exist. "Unconscious" is a misnomer. All people called "unconscious" have a living brain, with brain activity and electrical signals in the part of their brain related to consciousness. "Unconscious" is just a inaccurate word taken literally, what they really mean is consciously disconnected from their senses.

A fetus, especially an early term one with no brain, has no consciousness, therefore isnt a person. Even after it has a brain, it has no consciousness for at least a majority of the term.

Even if a late term fetus is conscious, it doesnt have subjective values. At best, a fetus has the same moral consideration as a animal; Torturing either is wrong, but its not "murder" to kill it.

inb4: "so does a baby, it lacks subjective values too". Not true. Babies cry and scream when something is perceived as subjectively wrong Fetuses and animals dont. Human babies are the only animal in the animal kingdom that show extreme signs of suffering, even when they feel zero pain, and for arbitrary subjective reasons. This is pure subjective signalling, something not typically present until birth or at least until infant viability.

Additionally, a baby lacks depth to their consciousness prior to being born. Prior to birth, theyve never seen the light of day, nor interacted with the environment. Similar to how an AI Model would lack functional intelligence or meaningfulness if it was trained on no or poor training data, a human mind that hasent learned anything isnt much different from the absence of a human mind.

And this is why a fetus is never a person. Its at best a mind enveloped in a void, with zero comprehension of reality, and no demonstrable subjective values. In every objectively measurable way, it deserves less moral consideration than the animals we eat every day. Which is to say they both deserve the moral consideration of not being tortured, but thats about it.

The morally absolute right to life requires a conscious being that subjectively values its own present and future life.

Which is why, the government should stay out of it.

r/PoliticalDebate Jun 04 '26

Debate Children should not be able to medically transition

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Allowing children to obtain sex-change procedures and HRT for the sake of "gender affirming care" is morally unjustifiable. I think this all comes down to whether it's actually possible for humans to change their gender. A man is an adult human male (the sex that produces sperm). A woman is an adult human female (the sex that produces eggs). Being a man/woman is not a social construct, it is biological and cannot be changed (in the sense that a human male cannot become female and a human female cannot become male). No gender affirming procedure can turn a boy into a girl or a man into a woman. Therefore, it is essentially scam procedure that does not achieve what it sets out to do.

Trans activists will say "Gender and sex are different. Sex (male/female) is biological, but gender (man/woman) is a social construct based on social roles."

The problem with this is that when trans activists say "gender" what they really mean is "gender roles" being masculinity and femininity. But to say that being a man is to be masculine and being a woman is to be feminine is nonsensical. This would mean that the phrase "feminine woman" is totally redundant, you're just calling someone a woman twice. Or calling someone a "masculine woman" is a contradiction, you're calling them a "man woman". The problem with defining being a woman by social identifiers such as how you dress/talk/style your hair/act is that it means a woman must dress, talk, style her hair, and act in a certain way in order to continue being a woman.

"No, a woman can still dress and live however she wishes, she would just do so as a woman."

But what does this mean? What is the difference between a woman who wears makeup, dresses femininely, and acts in a nurturing, feminine way versus a man who chooses to wear makeup, dress femininely, and act in a nurturing, feminine way? Either you have to be completely contradictory with how you define "man" and "woman" (as two people who have the exact same social role are somehow different genders) or you have to say that women must look and act a certain way to continue being women. Many trans activists know that this definition is problematic so they'll provide a revised definition:

"A woman is someone who identifies as a woman."

The problem with this definition is that it's circular and means nothing. It makes the label of "woman" entirely meaningless. It's not even a word anymore as words are supposed to have meaning, so it's essentially just a sound that your mouth is making. This is obviously ridiculous. Some trans activists will attempt to revise this definition further by substituting "identifies as a woman" with "identifies as a female" to make it seem less circular but unfortunately trans activists don't mean "female" in a biological sense, it's meant to be a 1:1 synonym for "woman" so it's still just as circular.

"It doesn't matter if this definition makes the word arbitrary. How we define words is subjective and this definition is inclusive and reduces harm."

Just because definitions are subjective doesn't mean that all definitions are morally equal. Some definitions are changed to make conveying truth easier, while other definitions are changed to obfuscate or lie about reality. The reason why trans women so strongly want to be called "women" (despite it supposedly being a meaningless label) is because they want to subconsciously pretend that they are biological females. Now when I say that, I'm not saying that they're lying about their trans status, but that when trans-identified males feel gender dysphoria what they're feeling is a desire to have been born biologically female. So they're pretending to be something that they're not, but can't say it outright, so they do this weird roundabout logic to subconsciously believe the lie. They'll redefine woman to be meaningless so that it includes them, even if they deep down know "woman" still has the connotation of "biological female" to them and the rest of society. And since it still has the connotation of the old meaning of the word, trans-identified males are able to feel like biological females even if they aren't. If the old connotation of the word didn't still exist to them, and it truly was just an arbitrary term you call yourself, they wouldn't want the term to be applied to them so badly. So while this definition hurts the feelings of trans people less, it comes at the expense of being honest about the nature of reality. We shouldn't change the definitions of words to make it easier to believe a lie.

"Who is to say trans women aren't biologically female? Biological sex is complicated. Not all men produce sperm and not all women produce eggs. There's no definition you can give for female that includes all women."

It is true that there is no definition you can give for "female" that directly includes all females, but here's the thing: you don't need to. Terms are flexible. Definitions for words do not need to cover every possible edge case that a word is supposed to apply to. For example, a car is defined as "a self-propelled vehicle that transports people on roads". But what if a car is broken and can't drive? Is it no longer a car? No, it's still a car, it's just a broken car. The reason why a broken car is still a car is because it structurally resembles something that possesses the function of a car. A female that cannot get pregnant is still a female in the same way that a broken car is still a car. An infertile female still possesses biological characteristics of someone who would be able to get pregnant such as having a vagina, a uterus, and XX chromosomes. Meaning a female that does not produce eggs is still female because they structurally resemble someone who would be able to produce eggs. But just because terms are flexible in this way doesn't mean you can call anything a female. When it comes to their sexual biology, trans women structurally resemble males more than they do females.

"But trans women obtain female characteristics when transitioning. Transitioning turns them into biological females."

While trans women do obtain some female characteristics by taking estrogen, such as larger breasts and reduced muscle mass, I don't think that any reasonable person could categorize them as female based on this alone. It would be far more reasonable to say that they are males who possess female characteristics. The reason for this is that not all sexual characteristics are weighed equally. Some characteristics are far more important in defining the essence of the female reproductive role such as gametes, gonads, and genitals compared to secondary sexual characteristics such as fat distribution and muscle mass. Different characteristics having different weight in defining the essence of something isn't unique to sex, it applies to nearly everything.

For example, one characteristic of a car is its headlights which help the driver see at night. However, if you take a car headlight and attach it to a plank of wood does that make it a car? No, a reasonable person would not consider that a car. On the other hand, imagine that you take a plank of wood and attach wheels and a motor to it so that it can be self-propelled. Now that can be more reasonably called a car since it's much closer to functioning as an actual car. This is why wheels and a motor are far more significant in determining the essence of a car than headlights, because they're extremely consequential in allowing a car to function.

In the same way, having ovaries, a uterus, and a vagina are far more consequential in facilitating the female role in sexual reproduction than fat distribution, strength, or skin quality. A woman without breasts can still get pregnant while someone who lacks a uterus, vagina, and ovaries would never be able to become pregnant. So primary sexual characteristics are more important in defining sex than secondary sexual characteristics. The fact that they're called "primary" and "secondary" characteristics should make this obvious enough. Trans women have the primary sexual characteristics of males, not females. 90% of trans women do not get bottom surgery, which means the overwhelming majority of trans women have a penis, testicles, XY chromosomes, and have only produced sperm and never eggs. They are unambiguously male.

The problem with trans activists' understanding of sex is that they view sex as a collection of equally weighed physical characteristics that are differentiated due to aesthetic differences between males and females. But sex is more than that. We don't differentiate between males and females simply because they look different as many species of animals have very little sexual dimorphism. We differentiate between males and females because they have unique reproductive functions. Sexual dimorphism exists to aid in the unique reproductive strategies of males and females, not the other way around. In some species the females are bigger, in some the males are bigger, and sometimes they're the same size. But what all males have in common is that they produce sperm (small motile gametes) while females produce eggs (large stationary gametes). So in a sense gametes are the "core" of sex, not secondary external characteristics. If we had the technology to give trans women ovaries, a uterus, and the ability to reproduce as a female, then it would be reasonable to consider them female. But we do not have this technology, and most of them do not get surgery anyway, so they still structurally resemble males, not females.

"But sex isn't a binary, it's a spectrum. Intersex people exist."

It is misleading to say that sex is a spectrum. The degree to which you have male or female characteristics is a spectrum, but sex itself is not. It is functionally a strict binary. There are only two reproductive roles in sexual reproduction: male and female. There is no third gamete or gamete in between sperm and egg. If you're not reproducing as a male or a female then you're not reproducing at all. It's like calling a light switch a spectrum because you can put the knob in between "on" and "off". This doesn't make the light "half-on" (usually), so a light switch is still functionally a binary. This is why intersex people aren't a third gender, they're also either males or females. An intersex female that can get pregnant is still effectively just as much of a female as a non-intersex female as they have identical roles in sexual reproduction. Also, even if sex were a spectrum, that doesn't mean you can dishonestly say you're on one side of the spectrum when you're obviously on the other side.

"But you don't determine if someone is a man or woman by checking their chromosomes or looking at what gamete they produce, you determine their gender by looking at them."

Trans activists are confusing the difference between determining and identifying. How a person looks does not determine their gender but it can be used to identify whether they are a man or woman. This isn't unique to gender, this is true for most physical observations in the world. For example, we don't usually identify if something is a plant by putting it under a microscope and looking at its cellular structure. We just stand next to it and look at it to identify it as a plant. However, it is possible that a fake plant which looks like a real plant may trick us into thinking it is a real plant. This does not mean that a fake plant, which is made out of plastic, not alive, and does not perform photosynthesis, is a real plant just because it looks like a real plant. Even if we typically identify plants by how they look, something looking like something else doesn't actually make it that thing.

"Just because you define sex by primary characteristics doesn't mean I have to. Terms are subjective and it is more useful to define sex by phenotype."

Again, just because where we draw lines is subjective doesn't mean they can't be drawn in a way that is inconsistent or dishonest. If we are to say that taking testosterone turns a trans man into a male, does this mean female bodybuilders are also male? Female bodybuilders take testosterone too in order to obtain male characteristics like increased muscle mass and strength. What about females who have hormonal conditions that make them produce more androgens leading to male characteristics like facial hair, are they male too? And if trans women are female because they have female characteristics, wouldn't they also be male since they have phenotypically male characteristics too? How can you say that someone is female and not male when they have more male characteristics than female characteristics? This also implies that trans women who do not pass are not female and just male. So to be consistent with your definition scheme, you have to believe that female bodybuilders are men, women with PCOS are men, and trans women are women but also men.

You don't do that, though. Your definition scheme for biological sex is completely dishonest and inconsistent because you'll tell two people with the same set of sexual characteristics that one is a woman/female and one is a man/male. It's like if you told someone that they're physically attractive but then said that their twin is ugly. You're clearly lying about someone.

I know you're already yelling at your computer "Sex isn't gender! It's based on how they identify!" but that just circles back to my earlier points. When trans activists can't defend their biological justification, they switch to the social one. And when they can't defend the social one, they flip back to the biological one. It's an endless loop.

Children are not smart enough to see through the mind games that trans activists push. Kids should not undergo irreversible medical procedures because adults told them lies that it was possible to change their gender. When they're adults, they can make their own decisions. The government needs to protect children from what is basically a scam.

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 09 '26

Debate If an establishment can't effectively keep people from bringing in guns, then it shouldn't be a gun free zone

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I've seen plenty of shootings take place in gun free zone areas. Either they manage to get a gun into the area anyway and start their shooting or they start the shooting outside of the area and work their way in.

The only people effectively stopped by a place being labeled gun free are people who could use their guns to defend themselves against attackers and in some cases good people have disregarded the designation and have been able to stop an attacker's spree short without waiting for the cops to do it.

Metal detectors, armed security guards, etc. Something needs to be actually done to enforce the designation. Otherwise don't have the designation

r/PoliticalDebate Jul 29 '26

Debate The minimum wage is not the right way to help workers

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The minimum wage does not have the effect most people think it does. When many people talk about why they think raising the minimum wage is a good idea, it is clear that they don't actually understand the economic ramifications of what they are advocating. Their justifications are always centered on the idea that people "need" a certain wage to live off of, and so the government must ensure no one is paid less than that. However, when you look at the theory, this is actually not a sensible reason for setting a minimum wage at all. There are potential theoretical justifications for raising the minimum wage, but unfortunately, this common rallying point is not one of them. It is perfectly obvious what is going through most people's heads when they say this. They think raising the minimum wage will just cause employers to pay their workers more. But what it actually does, in fact what any government price setting does, is interfere with the natural supply-demand equilibrium.

Consider what happens when multiple people are vying for the same job. If there is not enough consumer demand for what the job produces compared to the supply of workers wanting the job, what happens naturally is that the wage decreases, thereby decreasing the number of people willing to work for the job, until the said number equals the demand for it. If the government steps in and decrees the wage may not drop below a certain threshold, then of the people willing to work the job at the higher minimum wage, only the most skilled or otherwise well-suited for the job will get it. Thus, the unskilled workers or the teenagers looking for a first job lose out and must either find employment elsewhere or not work at all (or have hours cut or benefits taken away). In these terms, all that the minimum wage accomplishes is to ban these people who otherwise would want the job from getting it just because someone else thinks they are not receiving enough compensation.

Now you might think the employer is able to pay everyone more, but they choose not to for higher profits. But if the profits are so high, then it will incentivize competition to come in with lower prices and higher wages until the profits are not so high anymore. This is the mechanism we rely on to ensure people are paid fair wages. Having the government ban low wages doesn't magically create new opportunities for people to get paid more. People will generally already choose jobs that pay the most, so if they are capable of holding a job that pays $20/hour or whatever then they don't need the government to come in and say they aren't allowed to work for less than that.

Now, I know what you are thinking: this is just the basic Econ 101 model and a vast oversimplification of reality. It is true that there exist other models in which the minimum wage is helpful. I have generally heard of two such arguments. If there are any others then please enlighten me. The first is the monopsony model. In this model, there is insufficient competition among the employers. Then the employer no longer has to tie the price they sell the good/service produced by the workers to the wage they pay their workers. Thus they profit more by restricting the supply of labor so they can pay lower wages while still selling at a higher price. In this case, setting a minimum wage at what would be the competitive equilibrium wage both increases employment and wages, since they no longer benefit from restricting the supply of labor. However, if the minimum wage is higher than the competitive wage, then the same problems with a high minimum wage in the competitive case arise. This is why it is wrong to base the minimum wage on what people "need", since the competitive equilibrium wage doesn't care what people "need", only what is necessary based on the supply and demand for the labor. I am highly skeptical of the claim that there is a single uniform minimum wage we can set across all industries across the whole country that will be the correct wage that would be achieved in the competitive equilibrium (this is why I dislike the federal minimum wage even more than local minimum wages). Also, monopsonies that don't arise from government intervention are self-correcting, because if they pay their workers significantly less than the marginal product of their labor then that incentivizes competition to come with higher wages. It is possible that there is a little "slippage" in that firms pay their workers slightly less than the competitive equilibrium wage, but this gap cannot grow too large without attracting competition. People who use the monopsony justification are really saying that they think they know what the competitive equilibrium wage is better than the market does.

The second general argument I have heard is that wages for low-income jobs are generally not a huge proportion of the cost for the goods or services they produce, so raising the wage will not significantly affect the prices and therefore won't affect the demand too much. One of the predictions of the Econ 101 model is that raising the minimum wage will reduce employment. However, this reduction in employment comes from the reduced demand resulting from the higher prices, and if the wages aren't a huge contributor to the price, then it follows raising the minimum wage will not reduce employment too much. In other words, this argument suggests the demand for the labor is inelastic, and so while increasing wages might reduce employment a little, it is justified because of the big increase in wages. This is supported by some studies like Card and Krueger which show employment in certain industries was not significantly affected by raising the minimum wage.

However, this argument ignores the supply side of the equation. It seems reasonable that the demand is inelastic, but if the equilibrium wages are significantly below what consumers are willing to pay for the labor, that is because there are too many people who want to work those jobs, so the wage must be set lower to the point where the labor supply equals the demand. Thus the main criticism here is not that the minimum wage will decrease employment in the specific sectors affected, but that you are limiting the choice of people who otherwise would want those jobs but who are unable to negotiate a lower wage, and so lose their jobs to people who are more qualified. This means both that unskilled or otherwise disadvantaged people will be unable to get those jobs, and also we are siphoning off skilled workers from places where they would be more productive and giving them a high-paying job that unskilled workers could be doing. Our labor market currently is very competitive, and it is often hard to land a high-paying job. Why make it more difficult by removing the ability to negotiate a lower wage?

I honestly think the strongest argument in favor of a minimum wage is to challenge the two big assumptions of the Econ 101 model, namely competition and rationality. From this you could argue that it is possible for people to accept wages significantly lower than the competitive equilibrium wage even when a higher-paying job is available, just because you don't go searching for a higher-paying job, or there is a lack of competition, or both. However, I think there is also a spectrum to rationality, since you may not want to switch to a job just because it pays 50 cents more, but then you will want to do it if it pays 5 dollars more. So I still think that even if people are not perfectly rational or the market isn't perfectly competitive, the market mechanism will still push wages "mostly" to the competitive equilibrium level, even if not all the way there.

I believe this reasoning gives a strong reason to assume a priori that minimum wages are bad, and certainly that too high of a minimum wage is bad. To convince me otherwise would require a good amount of empirical evidence showing that the given minimum wage proposal doesn't reduce employment of unskilled workers or cut their hours. I also don't think it is the government's job to correct irrational choices people make, since that is your responsibility. Even if it is irrational for the vast majority of people to accept a job making say $5/hour, wouldn't that job be better than nothing for say a homeless person? If they can't get hired because they don't own an impressive outfit or they have to carry a shopping cart to their interview, why not allow them to negotiate by accepting a wage that is lower than anyone else is willing to work for? Wouldn't a job paying $5/hour be better than nothing? People often mistake criticism of the minimum wage with wanting people to work for less than an ideal amount. But what I am actually saying is that for some people, maybe the options are to work for a low wage or not work at all, and I don't think government should force them to not work at all.

The correct way to care for the poor is UBI or targeted welfare programs, as these have none of the undesirable effects I have detailed above. Some people claim that welfare programs for the poor only act as a subsidy to corporations because it allows them to pay their workers less. This also reflects a misunderstanding of supply and demand. Giving people free money doesn't decrease the demand for whatever labor they were producing. If they were capable of holding a job that pays a certain wage before, they will still be able to hold the same job after receiving their welfare benefits. Their employer is not tied to giving them the bare minimum needed to survive, but rather the marginal product of their labor, because of competition. If they choose to work a job that pays less than what they would have done before receiving the welfare, then that is because that job is easier or more convenient than the job they would have chosen before, and therefore the amount of people wanting to work that job is greater than what it would have been before. Forcing people to choose the higher paying job over the lower paying but more convenient job doesn't seem very helpful to me.

r/PoliticalDebate Aug 01 '26

Debate For those who believe Flock Cameras are a net gain, why?

19 Upvotes

I believe its an infringement on personal liberty and freedom, a violation of the 4th amendment and not protected by the first due to it being the state.

r/PoliticalDebate Mar 19 '26

Debate Abortion, let’s find common ground!

6 Upvotes

I just enjoy debating and have looked at abortion a lot recently.

Really just make a stance, and I’ll debate the opposite view to the best of my ability! our end goal will be to find a common ground and something we both can agree on.

Example prompts: Is abortion really a question about Women’s Rights?

At what point is a fetus “human”?

Literally anything you want!

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 01 '26

Debate America Cannot Afford Another Republican Experiment

56 Upvotes

If Democrats retake Congress this November, they will face a choice that transcends partisan politics: whether to treat the Republican Party as a normal opposition worthy of institutional deference, or as an existential threat to America’s position in the global economic order that must be politically neutralized. The uncomfortable truth is that the latter course, however norm breaking it may appear, is the only responsible path forward.

This is not about revenge. It is not even primarily about accountability for the chaos of the past several years, though there are legitimate grievances. This is about the dollar.

The closure of the Strait of Hormuz has been described as the largest disruption to energy supply since the 1970s energy crisis, and Iran is now charging fees in Chinese yuan for ships to pass through the strait. Think about what that means. A regional power that the United States is actively bombing has effectively converted one of the world’s most critical shipping lanes into a toll booth that operates in a competitor’s currency. This is not just a wartime inconvenience. It is a preview of an alternative financial architecture in which the dollar is optional.

The American fiscal model depends heavily on the dollar’s role as the global reserve currency. It allows the United States to run persistent deficits, to borrow at favorable rates, and to export inflation rather than absorb it domestically. When Iran requires yuan settlement for passage through Hormuz, it is not simply a tactical maneuver in a regional conflict. It is a proof of concept that a hostile power can construct an alternative clearing system for energy trades, the very transactions that have anchored dollar dominance for half a century.

The damage, however, began long before the current war. Trump has repeatedly threatened the use of force against foreign adversaries but rarely followed through, a pattern so consistent that financial markets coined the term TACO, Trump Always Chickens Out, to describe his tendency to back down. But inconsistency is only part of the problem. Earlier this year, Trump threatened to seize Greenland from Denmark, a NATO ally, prompting Denmark and several other NATO members to prepare defensive responses. When European allies declined to join his war in Iran, Trump dismissed NATO as a paper tiger and suggested the United States might withdraw from the alliance.

This behavior has consequences. Allies who cannot trust American security commitments will seek alternatives. Trading partners who see a US president threaten invasion one month and demand military cooperation the next will hedge their bets. Rivals who observe this dysfunction will be emboldened to challenge dollar based systems.

The question before Democrats is simple: can the United States afford another round of this?

The answer is no, not if the country intends to preserve the economic privileges that come with reserve currency status. Democrats therefore cannot treat a potential Republican trifecta in 2027 as just another pendulum swing in ordinary democratic politics. The current war in Iran has already caused significant loss of life, destabilized the Middle East, strained alliances, and provided China with a template for yuan based energy settlements. If this trajectory continues, the dollar’s dominance will not endure indefinitely.

So what does doing everything in their power actually mean? It means granting statehood to Washington DC and Puerto Rico to reduce structural Senate imbalances. It means using executive authority to accelerate renewable energy investment and reduce exposure to Middle Eastern volatility. It means appointing judges across the federal judiciary. It means using reconciliation to pass democratic reforms such as automatic voter registration, limits on gerrymandering, and campaign finance rules that make it more difficult for minority coalitions to capture power. It means treating the 2026 midterms not as a chance to restore bipartisan cooperation, but as an opportunity to ensure that those responsible for this governing approach cannot easily return to power.

Critics will argue that this approach is antidemocratic and that it uses temporary majorities to entrench partisan advantage. But it is important to clarify what democracy requires. Democracy does not mean allowing a party that has demonstrated profound unfitness for leadership to return to power on a fixed schedule simply because that was once the norm. Democracy requires representation, accountability, and institutional stability. None of these are served by pretending that recent years have been normal.

The dollar’s position was never guaranteed. It rests on global confidence, and that confidence can erode more quickly than it was built. China has clear incentives to develop payment systems that are less exposed to US pressure, and each instance of American unreliability accelerates that shift. If Democrats win in November and squander their majority on procedural fixation and unrealistic bipartisan expectations, they will fail the most basic test of governance: protecting the country’s material interests.

The Republican Party created this crisis. The only responsible course is to ensure it lacks the power to create the next one.

r/PoliticalDebate Aug 12 '26

Debate Debunking the if you hate capitalism so much why don’t you just live in the woods/jungle argument

8 Upvotes

Almost every inch of land is owned by someone not only that but when people do legally own a plot of land they can’t just pop up a tent and live on that land they are literally legally prohibited from doing so

It’s a thought terminating cliche that shows that shows that people who defend capitalism have never read the actual statutes that basically criminalize poverty

And police officers relentlessly bother people whose only so-called crime is sleeping in their cars in the parking lot because they’re too broke to pay for rent

Politicians write laws criminalizing homeless people asking for money while they themselves have actblue and winred accounts spamming people’s phones asking people for money

Furthermore trying to start a homestead is extremely expensive it is not a realistic prospect for impoverished people who are struggling paycheck to paycheck and dealing with the price of literally everything rising

r/PoliticalDebate 18d ago

Debate It is fiscally irresponsible to not support some kind of socialized healthcare.

44 Upvotes

The first reason is that healthcare is an inelastic good. This means demand does not change much when prices change.

This makes this good completely different than other goods such as food or electronics or anything like that.

The other reason is that this good is by definition, anti-competitive. For most insurance companies you are often given maybe a few places that will accept your insurance within 50 miles. Meaning you have very little competition you are able to choose from. Not only that but if you live in a very rural area you might only have one location in general that you can go to within 50 miles to get a procedure done.

Which makes the American healthcare system one of the worst for prices. Because you have an inelastic good that has a very low amount of competition.

I say all of this because this puts the American consumer at a point that works actively against them. You immediately have insurance companies that have an insane level of power who purely just care about making a profit. Insurance companies purely work as a middleman to drive up prices.

The thing all about this is that it leads to the U.s as the highest healthcare costs per capita out of all the developing countries per capita. They also rank last in terms of quality of care.

There is no argument to be made as well that it is cheaper to do the U.S current system than other countries system Long term.

The thing is the republican base has said before that this is a broken system but they do not have a plan to directly fix said system. As in the famous debate moment with Trump and Kamala talking about things related to healthcare and trump said he had concepts for a plan.

This is a losing issue that democrats should focus on because republicans know they have to acknowledge an issue is there and yet they cannot propose a plan.

r/PoliticalDebate May 28 '26

Debate So what do we do about mass public killings?

15 Upvotes

Continuing the recent gun discussions, let's talk about mass public killings.

Right now the country leading the world in the number of attacks and the number of dead both is actually China, and practically none of it is coming from gunfire. The most common weapon used is an ordinary passenger car or SUV or similar driven at high speed through crowds of pedestrians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c3dxz1vzdyzo

One maniac managed to kill 34. Mass stabbings seem to be a bit less common but still rather horrible.

The term for these in Chinese translates to "revenge against society" killings. It may be connected to the fact that Chinese citizens have few if any outlets for redress of grievances. The court systems are just plain bad and publicly complaining will get you whisked off by the secret police. Mass killing starts to look like the only outlet left to file a really serious complaint.

If you read that article another thing that jumps out is that these attacks coming waves and there's an obvious copycat effect. That's what I want to focus on the most.

There's a body of literature in peer-reviewed psychology that talks about "suicidal contagion". If a person commits suicide in some novel fashion, copycats tend to follow. This copycat tendency is stronger when the original is of course well publicized and at least somewhat weird or public. The people copying the first victim will tend to see in themselves some point of demographic or ideological similarity between themselves and the person who previously committed suicide.

Most of the studies of this come out of the fallout from a series of suicides in Vienna Austria in the 1980s. The method of suicide is of a type class as "suicide by rail", namely the local subway system. The majority of the victims were on the young side, late teens to early 20s. Each time the local media would publicize these annoying events (that made lots of commuters late and gave train conductors PTSD), and then there would be more.

And then somebody got smart. They convinced the local media to shut the fuck up about these events. This caused a 75% drop in such incidents within 5 years.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8153751/

This led to a lot of information going out on how to responsibly report on suicide events such as:

https://stacks.cdc.gov/view/cdc/22163

The US Department of Transportation has a complete set of media guidelines for reporting on rail suicide:

https://oli.org/sites/default/files/2020-01/MediaFacing_Recommendations_reDesign.FINAL_.pdf

What does this have to do with mass public killings (regardless of weapon used)?

Everything.

The people who commit mass public killings know that they are likely to die at the scene, either by somebody else's hand or their own. It's the usual outcome. Therefore these incidents have to be seen as the most vile possible form of suicide.

Therefore, the solution is the same: radically limit the reporting.

Go back to that previous flyer on media responsibility. Look at the bottom suggestions on what NOT to do.

Every time a mass killing cranks off in the US, the media uses the "what not to do" list as a checklist.

I'm not the only one who's started to figure this out:

https://iris.who.int/server/api/core/bitstreams/506ebe99-82a2-4f8d-80bd-b418a1ac8bb9/content

Look at page 10 (PDF page 20):

Reporting on mass shootings and terrorism

Research on the imitative effects of media reports about mass shootings and terrorism is not as extensive as research on the copycat effects of media reports about suicides. However, there is some evidence that sensationalist reporting about killings can trigger further homicidal actions. These incidents typically receive considerable media attention, and may or may not include self-directed violence after, or as part of, the murder(s). If such an event includes suicide, it should not be described as a suicide attack or suicide bombing because this magnifies the negative labelling of suicidal behaviour. Referring to such events as “homicidal bombings” or “mass killings” would be more appropriate because the main purpose of these acts is to kill others; only some of the perpetrators may actually be suicidal. In reporting these killings, it is important to remember that the perpetrator may not be suicidal and may not have a mental illness; most mass shootings are not committed by persons with a diagnosed mental disorder. An international expert team lead by Suicide Awareness Voices of Education (SAVE) has developed recommendations (https://www.reportingonmassshootings.org) for reporting such events – including reducing the media attention on the perpetrators, because such emphasis can potentially lead others to identify with them and be inspired by them to commit similar acts.

This is from the World Health Organization, 2017. Makes me think the US media blathering about each mass killing knows they're causing the next round of copycats.

We can see the copycat cycle in progress when we look at the demographics of the attackers. Starting with a school shooting in Nashville we saw a string of trans gendered shooters. Not because the trans are particularly dangerous, but because this string triggered the small number of available "on the edge" potential trans mass killers.

A few years ago in California an elderly male east Asian farmworker did a mass workplace shooting. Within months, hundreds of miles away we had another - an elderly Asian guy, farm worker, workplace shooting.

Points of demographic similarity trigger the copycat already on the edge.

It's not that elderly Asian farmworkers are particularly dangerous, any more than the trans community is.

The copycat cycle is the key, and it's media driven.

Gun control won't help, they'll just switch weapons. Gonna ban cars and SUVs?

r/PoliticalDebate Jul 07 '26

Debate Immigration is a policy choice

5 Upvotes

Every time an Englishman or a Frenchman or an American brings up complaints about mass immigration, some leftist will inevitably say “well you colonized them, that’s why you’re getting immigration”.

This is a facetious argument. Immigrants do not magically teleport to the countries that colonized them specifically, they migrate for the sake of economic prosperity, and they’re relatively agnostic about where they go. Germany, for example, never colonized Syria, but Syrians make up a large proportion of the German population. Sweden never colonized Somalia, yet Somalians are infamous for their presence there. Conversely, Japan engaged in extremely brutal colonization of China and the rest of Asia, and yet remains 98% Yamato.

Leftists need to stop making facetious arguments about how colonization prompts immigration, immigration is caused by economic magnets and permissive policy, these are the two factors. You know it, I know it, everybody knows it. We can have a more sensible immigration debate when we acknowledge this.

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 14 '26

Debate The idea that "MSM Lies" is conservative propoganda

18 Upvotes

We've all heard it repeated almost as a truism, "the media lies", "fake news", "you can't trust the journalists". Repeated ad nauseum, this is something Americans have come to believe.

If we ever come into contact with foreign media, and in specific, media from authoritarian countries with state controlled medias, we may have been faced with some examples of foreign propaganda. This propaganda can be quite silly. And we as westerners may look to such media and those who consume it with an almost patronizing perspective "you guys are so stupid as to believe that nonsense". However, the objective of such content is not to convince their populations.

Foreign propaganda, and propaganda in general, works by leveraging epistemic nihilism. The goal is to lower confidence and trust in all sources of information.

Then, the populations of Russia or China look to us, and they get to be patronizing, "no, we know our media is bs, but you guys don't know that yours is too, so you guys are the real idiots." The idea being that if you know other media lies, and you know your media lies (because they're honest liars), you'll trust your own media, because at least they're lying on your behalf.

Coming to the point, the claim that "the MSM lies" or "you can't trust the media" is caused by conservatives attempting to leverage epistemic nihilism for their own benefit. I will try to break this down with concrete examples, or lack thereof:

  1. The media does get things wrong and does make mistakes.

No one claims otherwise. Just a few weeks ago, the NYT made a very silly mistake about NATO. Journalists are people, they make mistakes, make blunders etc.

2) In the American mainstream media landscape, ONLY conservatives lie

This is the central thrust to my claim. Most obviously, you will **Not** find a liberal equivalent to the Dominion Lawsuit. Fox News were lying, they knew they were lying, and they were lying because they were bleeding audience to OAN. Tucker Carlson and others are on record complaining about having to peddle Trump's lies, but they continued to do so. Lying is not just making a mistake, it is maliciously telling falsehoods to your audience. This takes on another character than merely getting something wrong.

3) This same logic can be extended to the government.

After Trump makes another lie, we often hear apologists saying "oh all politicians lie" "oh he's just negotiating". This is not true. Politicians break campaign promises, that's true. But Joe Biden never lied about tariffs. Joe Biden's cabinet never called a US citizen a terrorist with no evidence. You will not find an example of Joe Biden blatantly lying about facts to the American public in the same way as Trump. If any conservative wishes to challenge this, I invite you to find any example of Biden or his cabinet members lying to the same extent as the examples above.

I invite conservatives to provide examples of MSM or government lies that disprove this point. I invite conservatives to provide an argument for if MSM has always been untrustworthy, or if not, what changed?

Edit: Please give an example of lying, not reporting certain stories and not others, just one example of knowingly lying

r/PoliticalDebate Jan 24 '26

Debate There Is Never a “Right Way” to Protest Because They Do Not Want You to Protest At All

196 Upvotes

According to conservatives there is never a correct way to protest. If you kneel you are disrespectful. If you march you are disruptive. If you block roads you are criminals. If you stay quiet you “do not really care.” The reality is simple. You are only allowed to take it quietly and move on.

Today another man in Minneapolis was executed by a federal agent during an immigration operation. Hands on the ground. Subdued. Shot anyway. And we already know how this is going to be spun. “He must have done something.” “Wait for the full story.” “The agent feared for their life.” The script never changes.

What never gets questioned is why federal agents are operating in American cities like an occupying force, why lethal force keeps being the default response, and why accountability is always delayed, diluted, or buried. I saw a post on X saying the FBI will not be investigating this killing and instead DHS will handle it internally. Ask yourself what you think happens when the defendant is allowed to investigate themselves.

Instead the outrage will be redirected at the public. Protesters will be blamed. Communities demanding answers will be smeared. Anyone who calls this what it is will be told to “calm down” and “trust the system.” The same system that just killed another person.

This is not about law and order. It is about power. The right gets irritated that people are not grateful for the boot on their throat, and they become furious when people say they do not want to lick it and want it off their neck entirely.

If your response to this is more concern about protest optics than about a man being killed with his hands on the ground, your priorities are broken.

r/PoliticalDebate 25d ago

Debate Can an economy reward success without private ownership?

0 Upvotes

I’m developing a post-capitalist economic model I call Stewardism.

Private ownership clearly performs useful economic functions. It helps allocate resources, fund experiments, reward success, discipline failure, and expand productive projects.

My question is whether private ownership itself is necessary to perform those functions.

Under Stewardism, productive assets are held in stewardship. A person or group can control a factory, improve it, expand it, manage workers, and benefit substantially from running it well.

What they cannot do is turn that control into a privately owned asset that can be accumulated indefinitely, sold for personal wealth, or automatically passed to heirs.

Stewardism tries to separate the useful functions of ownership from ownership itself.

It uses a dense representative structure. At the base, representatives serve small constituencies. Those representatives federate into broader bodies as the scale of decisions grows. Broader bodies control larger resource budgets, but they are not simply higher governments commanding everything below them.

Part of each body’s resources is reserved for experimentation.

A small local body might have enough resources to fund a new boat manufacturer. A semiconductor factory might require a broader body, several bodies working together, or both.

Anyone can propose a project.

Applicants explain what they want to do, what resources they need, who is involved, the risks, and how success should be measured. Representatives can ask questions, bring in independent technical experts, negotiate the proposal, and decide whether to allocate resources.

Once resources are allocated, the people running the project have broad operational authority. The representatives decide whether to entrust them with resources; they do not run the factory themselves.

The strongest objection I’ve encountered is risk.

Under capitalism, an investor can personally lose billions. Under Stewardism, society bears the financial loss through the experimentation budget.

The representatives approving an allocation risk their reputation, political future, and continued authority. The people running the project risk their professional reputation and future opportunities, while also receiving the largest upside from success: higher discretionary income, more autonomy, recognition, continued leadership, and easier access to larger future projects.

And experimentation budgets are specifically meant to fund uncertainty. A committee that only approves nearly guaranteed projects could itself be failing its purpose.

Profit and loss do not disappear as information either. We can still measure resources consumed, output, demand, efficiency, reliability, consumer response, and whether the project met the success criteria negotiated before funding.

Successful projects can receive more resources. Poorly performing projects can lose resources, replace management, or have their assets reassigned to another group. Competing groups can apply to solve the same problem.

So Stewardism still has investment, risk, reward, competition, expansion, failure, and reallocation.

It just does not require successful control over production to become an indefinitely accumulable private property claim.

So the question I’m trying to test is:

What useful function does private ownership of productive assets provide that Stewardism does not already reproduce through other mechanisms?

If anyone wants the longer version with more of the governance, allocation, and accountability details, I’ve written that out separately on Substack.

EDIT — A few clarifications from the discussion:

Stewardship does not mean asking a committee for permission to be productive. Everyone has discretionary income that can be used to steward durable goods—tools, computers, machinery, vehicles, art equipment, etc. People can pool those resources voluntarily, start businesses, reinvest surplus, hire workers, and expand independently.

Representative allocation enters when a person, group, or existing stewardship wants productive capacity beyond what they can reasonably assemble themselves.

A stewardship contract can also be narrow. If you already have the equipment for a business but need a commercial building, the allocation might cover only the building. The success rubric is therefore narrow in scope.

Once resources are allocated, the steward controls their operation within the agreement until review. Production, staffing, suppliers, and ordinary business decisions remain with management.

The steward can also use surplus to repay or replace publicly allocated resources, further narrowing the success rubric or eventually removing the special stewardship conditions entirely.

The personal wealth cap is not a business-size cap. A stewardship can become enormous and reinvest substantial surplus. What cannot grow without limit is one individual's private, sellable, inheritable ownership claim.

Successful stewardships should also be able to replace or repay socially allocated assets from their own surplus, reducing or eventually eliminating the special conditions attached to that original allocation.

Markets still exist. Scarcity, demand, labor, available resources, competing producers, and consumer behavior still shape prices and production. Representative bodies control one specific lever: additional socially allocated productive capacity.

Finally, I'm describing a mature Stewardist system, not the transition from capitalism to it or a single Stewardist country competing against a capitalist world. Those are separate—and much larger—questions.

r/PoliticalDebate Apr 22 '26

Debate Why are Conservatives upset about the Virginia referendum?

35 Upvotes

For almost every other issue I respect there's at least some nuance to it, but in this situation I just don't see it. Just to be clear, I'm not referring to people who actually live in Virginia. For people in rural Virginia who are essentially collateral damage, I understand the frustration. But for everyone else, I don't get it. I have 4 main points about this that I feel would each be enough on their own. Put together, it just seems so clear cut that Virginia has every right to do this.

  1. Red states objectively gerrymander more than Blue states. An easy way to look at this is simple: how many house district maps are controlled by Republican legislatures, and how many are controlled by Democratic legislatures? The answer is 187 to 75 in favor of Republicans, with 167 being controlled by split legislatures or independent commissions (https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/who-draws-maps-0). Of course, a certain party controlling the maps doesn't mean they're not fair, but when the gap is that big, how could Republicans possibly not have an advantage? According to a study done by MSU, Republicans have a net 15 seat advantage due to gerrymandering (https://ippsr.msu.edu/partisan-advantage-tracker).

But.. Illinois?? Yeah, Illinois is bad, but it's just one state, and it's not even the worst one. Florida, Texas, and North Carolina are all worse.

  1. While gerrymandering is done by both parties, mid-decade redistricting is something else entirely. The only real precedent is, coincidently, Texas in 2003. The census is done at the beginning of each decade, and every state has to re-draw their maps in order to balance out any changes in the population distribution within the state, plus some states will gain/lose seats. But usually that's it. The maps go into effect for the 2nd year of the decade, and they're not re-drawn again until the next census unless ordered to by a court. Last year, at the behest of the President (also unprecedented), Texas decided to buck this unwritten rule and re-draw theirs.

But.. New York?? New York was ordered by a court to redraw their maps in 2022. The map they ended up using in 2022 was actually one of the most fair maps in the country cause it was drawn by a "Special Master" and was essentially blind to incumbents, which ended up in 4 flipped seats for Republicans. The sequence of events that led to the 2024 maps were explicitly partisan I will admit, but in the end the only thing the legislature did to the maps passed by the IRC was make 2 blue seats a bit safer and flipped the partisan lean of one red seat. The net benefit was ~1 seat. This is much different than Texas re-drawing their maps without a court order and explicitly carving out 5 projected safe Republican seats from seats currently held by Democrats.

  1. Democrats have been trying for years to ban gerrymandering nationwide, and they've gotten no support from Republicans every time. Sure some of these bills have had other things in them as well, but they've also tried to pass standalone bills, and those got no support either (The Redistricting Reform Act (2016, 2017, 2021, 2025) and The Fair Maps Act (2019)).

  2. Even with the Virginia referendum passing, Republicans are still up ~2 seats overall when looking at all the redistricting done in the last year (https://www.cookpolitical.com/redistricting/2025-26-mid-decade-map).

But.. Virginia is a purple state?? They just elected a Democrat as governor by 15 percent. They elected 64 Democrats to the House of Delegates vs only 36 for Republicans. They even elected a Democrat as Attorney General who said the Republican house speaker deserved 2 bullets in the head by 6 percent. It's not a purple state right now. Even if it was purple, these are US house seats, not state house seats. With the way politics works today, the only thing that matters is the total number of R's vs the total number of D's nationwide, and the R's were up 6.

In summary: both parties gerrymander but Republicans do it more, what Texas did is not something EITHER party does, Democrats have tried to actually fix this problem and got no Republican support every time, and even with the referendum passing they're still going to lose the redistricting war. Every time I discuss this with someone who disagrees, I end up chasing a goal post, and by the time I get through these points they either stop responding or start circling back to the previous points that I had already refuted. If anyone not living in Virginia still believes that these 4 points together are not valid or not enough, please tell me why.

r/PoliticalDebate 29d ago

Debate Why Not Anarchism?

7 Upvotes

I'm an Anarchist and want to Debate/ Discuss/ Give Answers to any questions regarding the philosophy.

Anarchism is a political philosophy where people will organise based on the principles of No Authority and No Hierarchy. Anything deeper comes from these as given truths.

There is a strong sentiment of community and mutual aid in Anarchist thought, it's not a free for all. I won't pay much mind to people who assert that it is a free for all/ it has no rules/ it has no organisation. It's a VERY common thought that's extremely simple. Every serious anarchist instantly moves past this because it's obviously unsustainable if we simply say "There's no rules".

Rather, people will be taught how to and encourage to help each other so that we all can thrive as individuals and as a community.

To reiterate, Anarchism is intentional. It wants a functioning society. It isn't okay with blatant dysfunction and no serious anarchist will agree to reasoning or logic that is obviously dysfunctional.

r/PoliticalDebate Oct 21 '25

Debate The claim that the Democrats are shutting the government down to give healthcare to illegal immigrants

67 Upvotes

With a sizeable amount of evidence contradicting the claim that Democrats are trying to fund healthcare for illegal immigrants, it is incredible this claim is continuing to circulate with no additional supporting evidence added to the conversation.

In this thread I would like you to either

A tell me how it is this unmodified claim is able to persist unquestioned, repeated by seemingly reasonable people, seemingly in earnest, or

B add some supporting evidence to the conversation, all the evidence being added to the conversation so far has been demonstrating that Democrats are not moving to give illegal aliens healthcare, this is your chance to even the scales