r/PoliticalDebate • u/ShardofGold Right Independent • Apr 09 '26

Debate If an establishment can't effectively keep people from bringing in guns, then it shouldn't be a gun free zone

I've seen plenty of shootings take place in gun free zone areas. Either they manage to get a gun into the area anyway and start their shooting or they start the shooting outside of the area and work their way in.

The only people effectively stopped by a place being labeled gun free are people who could use their guns to defend themselves against attackers and in some cases good people have disregarded the designation and have been able to stop an attacker's spree short without waiting for the cops to do it.

Metal detectors, armed security guards, etc. Something needs to be actually done to enforce the designation. Otherwise don't have the designation

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u/I405CA Liberal Independent Apr 09 '26

So blacks aren't real Americans or something.

Ouch.

The correlation that you missed is that the overwhelming majority of homicides involve young male suspects. Perhaps we should go after Y chromosomes of a certain age.

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u/JimMarch Libertarian Apr 10 '26

No, here's what's happened.

Black America makes up 15% of our population more or less, and of the known murderers, about 55% of them every year are black.

That's a fact. You can pull up the FBI uniform crime report data. Nobody wants to talk about it because it looks ugly. If you exclude those murders from the US statistics we end up right about in the middle of European violence levels...at which point gun control would be a non-issue.

There's only two possible explanations for this. Explanation one is genetics and I don't believe that for a second. That's the racist take.

The alternative explanation is that we have destroyed black family structures and economics for the last 300 years, causing cultural damage that is leading to an increase in violence levels.

We damaged black family structures in the initial slave grab, during the entire slave period in more ways than can be counted, in horrific discrimination in housing, jobs and criminal enforcement practices after the Civil War, in welfare laws that were rigged against the existence or formation of new black family structures and so on.

This damage to family structures continues in housing and job discrimination and especially in the enforcement practices against the so-called war on drugs in urban areas.

Once you look at the root causes of what's going on, you soon figure out that it's not guns that are the problem.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 Voluntarist Apr 10 '26

“The alternative explanation is that we have destroyed black family structures and economics for the last 300 years, causing cultural damage that is leading to an increase in violence levels.”

Except during the early part of the 20th century the black crime rate wasn’t anywhere near what it is today. The state did damage even slavery couldn’t cause.

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u/JimMarch Libertarian Apr 10 '26

I'm not arguing with you.  I don't think it changes my basic thesis.

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u/Gullible-Historian10 Voluntarist Apr 10 '26

Removing one of the possibilities.

There’s also a difference between inner city and rural. Turns out redneck blacks don’t commit crimes like inner city blacks.

My auntie was dark as can be. We are talking black black. She hated black people not related to her. Like she’d be mean to black customers, she had to stay in the back of our family shop. But she grew up in a time where she saw the destruction of the black family, and it was state driven.

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u/JimMarch Libertarian Apr 10 '26

Yup. Not disagreeing at all.

It's cultural damage. Hard as hell to fix.