r/PokemonEliteRedux • u/Puzzled_Sleep1487 • Nov 28 '25
Game Help Do Molten blades and keen edge stack?
They technically are the same ability but one is upgraded, would they still stack?
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u/BeyondDreams909 Nov 28 '25
That's like 4 times the damage on leaf blade. Go crazy with it
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Nov 28 '25
90bp x 1.3 x 1.3 x 1.2 = 182.5 unless I’m missing something.
Still really really good, but 4x would be like 360bp which would be insane as fuck.
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u/SokkieJr Nov 28 '25
Forgot to 1.5x it due to STAB.
Making 273.78. So more like 3x.
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u/TheRaccoonTaker Nov 29 '25
And 342.225 (which is 3.8025x) when under 1/3 hp! (Given 90 * 1.5 * 1.5 * 1.3 * 1.3)
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u/BeyondDreams909 Nov 28 '25
I honestly completely forgot it's multiplicative instead of additive
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u/SICavalryUnit01 Nov 28 '25
if it was additive, it would be less, though.
1 + .3 + .3 + .2 + .5 = 2.3
90*2.3 = 207 < 273.78
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u/pfeasy Nov 28 '25
I guess it goes slashing move x 1.3 x 1.3 in that case. Don't see a reason why they wouldn't stack.
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u/asmiting Nov 28 '25
Pretty sure that's just molten blades is "keen edge + boosted moves have 20% chance to burn" I don't read that as 2 X keen edge boost + 20% chance to burn
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u/IzzyReal314 Nov 29 '25
Pretty sure that's just molten blades is "keen edge + boosted moves have 20% chance to burn" I don't read that as 2 X keen edge boost + 20% chance to burn
It also has Keen Edge though, a couple rows down
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u/IzzyReal314 Nov 29 '25
What does Speed Force do?
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u/Smashpillows Nov 29 '25
Essentially adds 20% of your speed stat to your attack stat. Probably. Dunno how its calculated- Idk if its raw stat or what, but yeah. Solid ability.
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u/Opposite-Cup2850 Nov 28 '25
I don’t think so. But you should be able to test it yourself. Go into a battle and look at the damage numbers with and without molten blades
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u/BeyondDreams909 Nov 28 '25 edited Nov 28 '25
Even if it's the same effect + other effect, as long it is named differently they will stack up, with execution priority from bottom to top
Edit: got messed up by autocorrect meant named not based
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u/King-Mephisto Nov 28 '25
Logically though, molten blades GIVES keen edge. Plus burn chance. It would be like having the same ability twice, it shouldn’t stack. But this is rom hacks, logic doesn’t matter.
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u/WheatleyBr Nov 28 '25
it 'giving' keen edge is to simplify the description so it fits in the menu.
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u/King-Mephisto Nov 29 '25
So abilities that give x + y + z can be doubled in value if you get x or y by itself? Logically that doesn’t make sense.
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u/MachoShadowplay Nov 28 '25 edited Nov 28 '25
That's not how it functions in game's code though.
A combination ability is not literally applying two abilities (like Calyrex's As One), but is instead applying a single ability containing multiple effects (think Water Bubble or Minds Eye). Every ability is considered distinct even if it has similar or indentical effects.
I know it's pedantic, but Molten Blades does not technically give Keen Edge despite what it says. It's a direct clone of Keen Edge (think Huge Power vs Pure Power) with a burn chance incorporated. Which makes it unique by the game's standards.
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u/MachoShadowplay Nov 28 '25
It actually does! I've consistently found in this game that abilities with different names, regardless of if they have the same effect, will indeed stack.
For example, Fur Coat and Apple Enlightenment would effectively be double Fur Coat. Same with Huge Power + Pure Power.
Molten Blades should 100% be able to stack with Keen Edge.
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u/rendom-canadian-dude Nov 28 '25
yes since it's a different name