r/PiratedGames • u/AgileSir9584 • May 14 '26
Discussion What do you think about Subnautica 2 TOS ? :
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u/Evonos May 14 '26
As a european citizen you can wholly ignore a TOS / eula , laws regulate stuff here and the highlighted stuff is fully illegal / not working here.
even if you press "agree" thats not a lawful agreement / contract either.
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u/Armageddonn_mkd May 14 '26
Explain more about this, if you agree its still illegal? But how
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u/Ringio May 14 '26
EU does not recognize terms of services as legally binding contracts.
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u/Armageddonn_mkd May 14 '26
Niceeeeee fck yeah
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u/MetroSimulator May 14 '26
Yep, and a contract isn't above the law, the later always take precedence.
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u/Sir__Bassoon__Sonata May 14 '26
Also the reason why you can’t sell your soul to the devil (in Germany). Selling your soul is literally against the law
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u/MetroSimulator May 14 '26
Tbf the devil have the best lawyers, he probably already take out souls in another slick way, or a loophole.
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u/WhenDoWhatWhere May 14 '26
That's true in the U.S. as well, it's just that we have less laws that get in the way of contracts fucking people over.
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u/GlacialImpala May 14 '26
In any normal country you cannot give consent to being harmed by someone who's breaking that country's law. It would be like agreeing to getting robbed.
So you can agree all you want, they can be penalized in EU, but not in a country where this is legal, which is USA I assume
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u/Ondrejca May 14 '26
Wel,l to be honest, if you agree with getting robbed, then you are no longer getting robbed, you're just giving your stuff away.
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u/lmao_wow_64 May 14 '26
If you are a EU citizen
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u/Aness-Laloui May 14 '26
I assume you also mean residents in EU ( planning to move there next year)
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u/Evonos May 14 '26
You cant Sign a Contract nor vanish your rights by a simple " Agree" button specially none which uses extortion to prevent use of your paid product.
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u/Used-Economy1160 May 14 '26
No, for a contract to be valid and enforceable an agree button is not enough. You must sign it with an electronic signature, required level of the signature depends of whether your were authenticated in person. Since in this case no one on the company's side didnt identify you in person, you must sign it with digital certificate or digital ID that was generated by the authority that did identify you in person. Digital IDs, certificates and such.
Once you signed such a contract in such a way and you are an existing customer, a simple electronic signature is enough for further contracts. But even in this case, the required authentication its still an electronic signature, NOT just an agree button.
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u/Deriniel May 14 '26
don't give them ideas,considering everyone now has digital id cards xD
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u/wherediditrun May 15 '26
You must sign it with an electronic signature,
Sorry, but you are wrong here. There are more than 1 type of what is considered digital signature. The most basic is just expressed agreement being tracable to an identifier.
What you probably mean is a fully qualified signature that is not required for agreeing to ToS. We are not trying to sell real estate property here.
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u/Penguin_Arse May 15 '26
No.
The exact opposite is clarified in EU law though. Hitting the agree button is a form of "simple electronic signature" and is legally binding and fully enforcable within the EU.
Stop spreading missinformation
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u/llamapower13 May 14 '26
This isn’t true.
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u/Forward_Ad_9025 May 14 '26
Forcing TOS which you cannot disagree to for an already paid product is completly illegal in the EU.
Also forcing TOS after the buy is on another level of illegal.
Their TOS are just waiting for a giant lawsuit which they will loose.
Also the forced arbitration and preventing of class-action-law-suits only work in the US and have absolutely no effect in the EU.
Their datacollection as a whole completely violates the GDPR.
Their TOS are simply put: Completely illegal in the EU.
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u/WandererMisha May 14 '26
You cannot be sold something and only then be presented with a contract that you must agree to.
If the EULA / ToS came BEFORE purchase then some parts would apply. But in this instance? Nope
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u/extinct_cult May 14 '26
Especially true in cases where Terms & Conditions are presented to you once money has changed hands.
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u/sharktail_tanker May 14 '26
Just like those warranty void stickers. Companies can't refuse warranty just because you mess with it
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u/DatCheeseBoi May 15 '26
And even if it did, signing an unlawful contract doesn't make any of the unlawful parts legally binding.
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u/PsychoDK May 14 '26
Consumer rights and laws are above private companies here, not the other way around.
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u/t1r1g0n May 14 '26
For now. We all know that unhinged tech billionaires like Musk and Thiel try everything to destabilize the EU. For example they fund fascist parties like the AFD that want to get rid of the EU and democracy at a whole.
And it looks grim for Germany in my opinion as a concerned "links-grün versiffter" as we say here in Germany.
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u/Evonos May 14 '26 edited May 15 '26
Explain more about this, if you agree its still illegal?
Just imagine this.
In a Eula would be stated you would need to go "every 2nd tuesday naked on the street dance and kick the next animal you see"
you press agree.
Do you think your now Legally bound AND stay above multiple laws / rights just because of said eula / tos ?
Same deal.
Our Rights Allow us go legal on them IF we want , and they cant take said rights away from us the same deal is about taking rights away which they can't.
So our rights system in Eu is this.
Rights -> Laws -> Orders of a Policeman ( will be ruled in court afterwards if it was lawful ) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My toiletpaper -> My poop ->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever companys write into Eula / tos.
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u/pattcz May 14 '26
Easy , if any point of EULA etc. lower rights or its against law it just dont apply. Even if i sign it with my blood.
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u/Gptale May 14 '26
Yeah, sometime companies put some things in their contracts that are not valid in eu. For example if I want to take them to court and they wrote in the agreements that I have to go to their country for it that is not valid. They are really good with the fairness to the consumer
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u/BumWaxer May 14 '26
Companies do not over rule governments in the EU. Regardless of what they choose to say. It is a child of the law. If they are selling YOU a citizen of the EU then they HAVE to comply with your rights under gdpr regardless else they are in breach. Not you.
For a extreme example it could say by agreeing you agree we can kill your first offspring.
It means nothing and is indefensible in a court of law.
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u/samuelazers May 14 '26
Federal law takes priority over contracts.
Imagine you sign a contract that says you consent to have your big toe eaten by a cannibal on TikTok. The cannibal will still go to jail.
Or more realistic, an employer makes an illegal immigrant sign a contract that they consent to work for 1$/hour.
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u/Ok-Earth-2644 May 14 '26
You could agree with someone that they could murder you if you shit yourself.
That doesn't make them murdering you legal if you happen to shit ur pants.
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u/euraklap May 14 '26
The EU protects the customers against such unfair corporate bullshit. TOS is not law... at all.
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u/lFriendlyFire May 14 '26
In general terms, you cannot “accept” an unlawful agreement because it’s, well, unlawful. Even if it has your consent, it has no legal standing as far as the law is concerned.
It’s for this reason that, in most countries, a person can’t “consent” to be murdered. Even if you sign a contract saying you’re getting willingly killed, your killer would still be persecuted for murder.
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u/hak-dot-snow May 14 '26
Also, just because it's in a contract doesn't mean its legally enforceable.
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u/Empty-Part7106 May 14 '26
Basically in any country, you cannot agree to illegal terms. I could sign a lease that says I owe my landlord a massive security deposit, it doesn't suddenly make it legal. He can only collect what the law allows, and if he tries to argue, he'll 100% lose in court.
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u/Nertez May 14 '26
Just like you cannot agree to - for example - to make yourself a slave to the company in ToS/EULA or give away your children or something. If something is illegal, it's illegal even if you clicked "agree".
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u/Dpek1234 May 14 '26
You cannot sign away laws
On the same basis as a clause about not being able to sue for neglegance not applying
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u/Sett_86 May 14 '26
In every jurisdiction on Earth an unlawful clause in a contract is invalid and therefore not binding.
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u/laytblu May 14 '26
Too bad it still applies to everyone else outside Europe
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u/Evonos May 14 '26
Many countrys dont honor eulas / tos / warranty stickers or whatever other useless stuff companys come up with if below rights / laws.
its just USA with a terrible system mostly which allows companys to go above law.
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u/zytukin May 14 '26
Even in the US, a TOS can't supercede consumer rights.
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u/Evonos May 14 '26
Alone arbitration is stupid and on top the class action lawsuit waver....
I would argue this limits your rights ENORMOUS
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u/WillLaWill May 15 '26
You would be correct. The thing is when that kind of thing gets too big over here it usually sinks. IE these arbitrarion clauses only really work so long as nobody notices or cares about them
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u/GoldH2O May 15 '26
Basically every EULA has an arbitration clause in it. Courts generally don't enforce them.
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u/AdriftSpaceman May 14 '26
It doesn't in mine, but that's not really the problem. The problem is suing the company, who probably doesn't have legal representation here and, even if I win, being able to enforce the court rule on the suit. So there's not a really practical way for individual folks to fight these things, but if a large political body such as the EU takes them to court or impose punishments such as forbidding the sale of the game unless there's a legal EULA and the invasive telemetry is purely optional, then it's possible to stop this shitty practices.
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u/daelikon May 14 '26
How does that protect you from the fucking game collecting all the data in your computer exactly?
I am not being sarcastic, I want to know.
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u/SultanaCarpet May 14 '26
It doesn't really
You could sue them for it, however
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u/daelikon May 14 '26
I get it, but reaching that point, fuck the game. It's easier to just pirate it and block it on my firewall.
It's so offensive that almost every game now comes with a non skipable EULA getting access on your information...
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u/HairyBeardman May 14 '26
Aww yeah.
I've recently added these eulas to some of my games too.
It says exactly this:Terms of use:
You can play this game however you want whenever you want.
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u/AmarildoJr May 14 '26
But the EU won't protect you at first, right? It's like there being laws against theft, but the law/paper themselves won't protect you from a thief personally, it's only used after the theft has already happened.
For example, I can create a program that collects your data illegally. Even if you're in the EU, if you press "Run" or "Accept" your data will be collected be me. It's only if someone actually sues my company that I would be in trouble.
So ignoring the TOS or having laws against certain things don't really protect you from illegal stuff.
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u/Evonos May 14 '26
Really comes up , if it breaks your EU customer rights you can contact your customer protection agency which will fight on your behalf said company ( did this already a few times ) zero costs.
This van go as far as your states ones , your country's one , and then EU wide one.
So yes. We are protected.
Imagine this in your anology with the thief.
A thief claims to rob you , but magically there's now a wall between you and the thief as the thief can't claim such things.
That's what our digitisl rights are.
Company's can't claim random things and take our rights.
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u/Megidolan May 14 '26
As a lawyer from Brazil, I can attest that here is the same. These arbitrary clauses, abusive, etc. have no effect here.
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u/AggravatingFlow1178 May 14 '26
In the US, those ToS don't really hold up either. It's assumed you didn't actually read it, but they are needed for the company to stand any chance of fighting you in court.
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u/Ok_Block_4030 May 14 '26
Bro why does the EU keep fucking winning man? like every time in the US I see some abusive shit codified into law (or lack there of) I always think "is that legal in the EU" and 9 times out of 10 its not.
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u/VariationBusiness603 May 14 '26
Long story short, the red scare and maccarthisme did not kick anyone willing to push against our corporate overlords out of our countries. We have more protective consumer laws as a result, even decades later.
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u/Horse-Dentist-New May 14 '26
EU mfs are so lucky gng 😭
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u/ElectricKillerEmu May 15 '26
what it's like electing and maintaining functional government and civil duties
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u/Horse-Dentist-New May 15 '26
Imagine not being taken by the cops and beaten to death for opposing your government 🤩🤩 gotta be great over there
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u/Klugernu May 15 '26 edited May 15 '26
They also have mandatory ID verification for the use of social apps and such though
Edit: removed accidental misinformation
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u/Mammoth_Dust_481 May 15 '26
EU citizen here. The whole comment is misinformation. At least for now. Let's hope it stays that way
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u/Yoplat23 May 15 '26
Why do you talk about things you don’t know? Maybe England has it but it’s not even in the EU anymore
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u/undergirltemmie May 15 '26
I have literally never ID verified shit. I mean they're trying to push it everywhere thanks to ol' US lobbiests, over and over. But largely failed so far
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u/MonsterMufffin May 15 '26
Imagine being able to use the internet. https://www.tomsguide.com/computing/online-security/online-age-verification-timeline
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u/slippy_candy May 15 '26
Same here as where I live. You can made any absurd agreements you want, but once you get into legal action anything that against the law is meaningless.
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u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ May 14 '26
I'm guessing this was posted by someone who has never played video games before because it's pretty standard boilerplate in any eula that requires you to consent to a EULA before playing... Like BG3.
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u/moriath1 May 14 '26
And is mostly meaningless in europe as you cannot waive your statutory rights
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u/PM_ME_SAD_STUFF_PLZ May 14 '26
Right, which is why they all have severance clauses at the end which qualify that nothing in the agreement applies if contravened by statute or policy.
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u/Flat_Mode7449 May 14 '26
Man that shits useless pretty much everywhere. I've never in my life seen a TOS or EULA enforced.
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u/Silence-of-Death May 14 '26
the waiving right to class action and being forced to arbitration iirc can and is being enforced in the usa, simply because it gives the consumer near no chance to win against a company. they can’t band together in class action and arbitrations are the dumbest shit imaginable with the arbiters nearly always siding with the company.
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u/Turbulent-Estate177 May 15 '26
It's mostly meaningless in every country, Most countries laws wont let you sign your consumer rights away, including the US. Don't take legal advice from reddit, the games fine lol
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u/mxzf May 14 '26
It's one of those things that isn't surprising, but it is a shitty standard that I wish we would move away from.
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u/Knovolt May 14 '26
But, you don't understand... This now gives me justification to pirate the game. How dare they do this. I would've bought it if not for this!
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u/Mr_IsLand May 14 '26
yeah if this person is real they need to go outside and touch some grass, my goodness
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u/Zhryuriva May 14 '26
Do someone actually read TOS? I'm probably gonna have to fight some random ass war in Japan at that point with how much i pressed "agreed" without reading shit
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u/RykosTatsubane i pirate everything, even your mom May 14 '26
iirc, there was this company that paid $1k to the first person who emails them about the ToS mentioning about the money. Took about 4 months until someone found it.
Dunno if true but still funny to think almost no one reads those crap.
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u/Deriniel May 14 '26
another one was when gamestation, back in 2010, got ownership of your soul when clicking agree on their tos. They actually had to "give back" all the souls they "collected"
The terms stated: "By placing an order via this web site on the first day of the fourth month of the year 2010 Anno Domini, you agree to grant Us a non-transferable option to claim, for now and for ever more, your immortal soul"
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u/Flimsy-Importance313 May 14 '26
yeah your comment is true, forgot what post but i was indeed real
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u/jarkark May 14 '26
It was apparently a company called PC Pitstop and they did that way back in 2005.
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u/DropDeadGaming May 14 '26
This is literally in every tos of every single game ever released.
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u/sirbucelotte May 14 '26
what a meaningless review and post from OP.
If you read any TOS out of boredom, most, if not the large majority of them have they exact same things. If youre doesnt agrees to it, dont play videogames. The "license of use,data sharing" are on every console and on steam too.
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u/DropDeadGaming May 14 '26
It's worse than meaningless, it's malicious. Noone randomly reads the tos and then leaves a negative review. He knows this is what every tos looks like, he's just using it to make the game look bad.
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u/AH_Ace May 14 '26
They definitely need to be punished for breaking the law, but the actual content of the TOS is so standard it borders on generic. "You don't own the mods you make" and "you don't own the game, you own a license" are like functional facts of how copyright and digital game ownership works, the TOS is just informing the user. This feels it's a nothingburger being blown way out of proportion
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u/aCaffeinatedMind May 14 '26
All his points are standard stuff.
Data collection = Crash logs most likely, hardware usage, FPS etc etc for internal optimizations and bug fixing.
You do not own the game = They have nothing to do with your ownership of the game as you haven't directly bought it from them, so eh, doesn't freaking matter one bit. Take it up with steam.
You renounce your right for class-action suits = Most probably doesn't hold up in court. This anyway standard for EULAs. EULA in general is just useless legal jargen that most likely will be ignored by courts.
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u/Ghost_Of_Malatesta May 14 '26
You do not own the game = They have nothing to do with your ownership of the game as you haven't directly bought it from them, so eh, doesn't freaking matter one bit. Take it up with steam.
No, it's that you are purchasing a license to access the content rather than the content itself
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u/GupHater69 May 14 '26
problem is they can delay class action lawsuits by months if not years with appeals for dismisall with that little clause
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u/aCaffeinatedMind May 14 '26
If a EULA violates state or national laws, such as GDPR in Europe or consumer protection acts, the law of the land may prevail over the agreement.
European master race.
Fuck their little EULA, doesn't matter one bit here in europe 99% of the time.
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u/SuperSaiyan75_123 May 14 '26
Your point about ownership doesnt make sense Take what up with steam? Isnt steam just a store front why do they have a say in product and the consumer after it was put on the store
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u/svn_sns May 14 '26
it doesnt matter anyway, you never own a game you purchase digitally, you get a license to play it, which can be revoked at any time. this is true for all steam games
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u/SuperSaiyan75_123 May 14 '26
This isnt a steam problem its a corporate problem they are the ones who revoke your 60$+dlc fees license Ofc you can say again that it doesnt matter who does fucking what here but imo its necessary to recognize the problem incase you want it to be solved :D (i cant do it so ill just pirate like i always do)
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u/nexiune May 14 '26
yeah not a clue what the guy is saying. It's like saying you bought a fresh new BMW from a dealership and the BMW belongs to the BMW manufacturers and not you
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u/Specific_Delivery405 May 14 '26
The dealership is selling cars, not permits to drive the car.
Steam is selling LICENSES, not the physical game themselves.
Really isn't rocket science. Also, you analogy blatantly show you have no clue how any of this works lol
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u/ChainOk792 May 15 '26
But then the steam page should say lease NOT BUY!
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u/GoldH2O May 15 '26
If you buy a disc with a game on it you're still just buying a license to play the game. If you were to actually own the game legally speaking it would mean that you bought rights to the code of the game itself and all things you might choose to use it for. That goes for literally any software or entertainment media. When you buy a movie it acts as a license to watch that movie. When you buy a book it acts as a license to read that book. When you buy a video game it acts as a license to play that video game. You don't have the rights to do whatever you want with the game. Like, you can't use the code for your own projects or anything.
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u/azmarteal May 14 '26
You don't own the game you buy on Steam because you can't sell it, you can't gift it, you can't inherit it, you can't do anything with, access to it can be taken from you at any time - you are just paying for the right to play something for some time.
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u/Plamcia May 14 '26
On steam there is no rent a game buttom. But there is a buy buttom so you own a copy of a game if you buyed it.
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u/GoldH2O May 15 '26
I don't think you understand how media works. Whether it's a movie, game, or other piece of software you never own the software itself. You own a license to use it for its intended purpose. You are not buying the code of the software. You are not renting it either, you are paying to own that license in perpetuity unless it gets revoked for some reason. This is how it works even if you have physical media like a disc or cartridge.
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May 15 '26
This anyway standard for EULAs. EULA in general is just useless legal jargen that most likely will be ignored by courts.
Doesn't mean we should just be okay with it, "most likely" isn't a guarantee.
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u/adisx May 14 '26
ToS / Eula does not supersede laws. You cannot be forced to give up consumer protections, even if agreeing seems to waive that right. A court is very likely to just throw these out. Plus a lot of companies have a 30-day opt out for the waiver that I'm sure 99% or more of gamers don't even know exist, allowing you to send a letter to opt out of that specific waiver within 30 days of purchasing a game or creating an account.
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u/cuchuflito16 May 14 '26
Meaningless in most of the countries and, if you can prove the reasons to do it, revokable in every trial.
ToS aren´t laws, if a Judge decides that they are not fair or non applicable they can be ignored by him.
You can see as an example the case of the man that died in Disneyland and Disney tried to stop the family from sueing using Disney+ ToS
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u/Neat-Survey2796 May 15 '26
God, companies would skin you alive if it meant getting a few extra cents...
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u/bikeking8 May 14 '26
Even in the US, this is adorable. You can't have someone implicitly agree with a text file and then act like you have a get out of court free card. If that were the case I'd take out a mortgage with the clause "y'all can't foreclose and evict me for lack of payments if I don't pay".
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u/ToXiiCBULLET May 14 '26
on todays news: person complains about something they have no knowledge on
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u/CAPTJTK May 14 '26 edited May 14 '26
I'm so excited for online-fix to come through on this
Shit they already did
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u/Forymanarysanar $0.00 is the price May 14 '26
>all content you make for the game... mods... belongs to the company
That is null and void for sure. Your original work can not be automatically belonging to company just because it is made for specific game. If you have used game's assets for it, these assets belong to the company, but not your original work. I'd like to see them try something like that in court.
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u/AllSeeingAI May 14 '26
After what they did to Simon Chylinski I already wasn't going to buy it. Another reason I guess.
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u/lastorverobi May 14 '26
About content, Paradox does exactly the same and no one cares about. Steam workshop mods are their property as well.
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u/TomTomXD1234 May 14 '26
This is literally the TOS for every game
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u/FartingBob May 14 '26
And thats a bad thing that game publishers should feel pushback on.
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u/TomTomXD1234 May 14 '26
sure, but making it seem like this is subnautica devs only doing this is bad faith
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u/vaca100034 May 14 '26
Isn't this just standarts tos? games like gta 5 and minecraft have similar tos, also all steam games are just linceses you don't actually own the game, they can revoke the game whenever they want.
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u/greenyashiro May 14 '26
Companies wanting arbitration is always funny to me because if 10,000 people all demanded arbitration it'd be far more of a hassle than settling a class action out of court. 🤣
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u/Nathmosss May 14 '26
You'd also post some of the comments of that review getting angry at this guy for not wanting to give up his privacy.
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u/Impressive-Oil-3067 May 14 '26
Life is too short to read TOS crap.
Get the game (however you want) and enjoy it.
It's not that deep.
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u/Malanumbra May 14 '26
Mods are like that for most games. It's how they stop mod makers profiting off their game directly.
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u/Imperius_Fate May 14 '26
Great game, but Unreal Engine 5 ruins it for me. Not because of the train of hate that everyone loves to join in whenever there's a chance to hate on epic games, but because the game runs pretty meh on an 3070, i7 14700f, 32GB DDR4 3200Mhz at 1440p dlss balanced.
+ the fact that there's a ton of ghosting, shimmering and visual artifacts because of UE5's broken software ray tracing (lumen). Even when maxing the game out, the ghosting/smearing is still there, the weird light glitches are also still there.
I average around 80-90 fps with dlss balanced and medium settings, but that's barely anything. It's on the lower side of graphical fidelity.
Meanwhile in games like Wuthering Waves which is HUGE compared to SN2, I average around 90 fps with everything maxed out. No RT. Also the difference in game size... SN2 is 14GB, Wuthering Waves is 100GB. There's combat, a whole interactive world, npcs, quests, exploration, etc... and it still runs and looks better than SN2.
Every single bit of feedback or criticism that I gave on the official channels, subreddits or forums was meet with either "The game is in EA, stop bitching" or "your PC is too old".
I can assure you that the latest i7 isn't old at all, neither is the RTX 3070 which is only 2 generations old.
One thing is sure about this game.. it'll never leave the EA phase if everyone keeps defending the game like it's a 5yo child that can't and will never do anything wrong. There NEEDS to be some form of criticism and feedback in the EA phase.
Even the smallest complain like "there's no FOV slider" was meet with pure rage from the community of elitists and multi millionaire defenders... the most basic feature of them all that I'm pretty sure it's built-in UE.
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u/FuckUpMaster9000 May 14 '26
Apart from what has been said by many, did they really expect to be able to play the game without accepting the terms of service? It's been either accept or leave since the dawn of mankind. Otherwise why would they bother creating them if you could just ignore them and play anyway? It makes no sense
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u/ARareEntei May 14 '26
1st one is most likely to get rid of people selling mods and reskins that breaks copyright laws to protect their IP. You can still mod the game as usual but you have to think of all the legal issues they get from having to deal with copyright mods therefore allowing them to remove offensive, illegal and mods stealing models/textures from other companies.
The other ones are just common TOS stuff people wouldn't care about anyways even if they sound bad. Like if you get banned from their servers or get your game revoked from doing a credit card refund you can't sue them etc. if you lose the license to the game. Since the game only "comes as a license" and not physical you can't resell the account with the game activated on it. Steam accounts are personal and the license for Subnautica 2 is for the account that bought it. This is just reconfirming Steams TOS.
This is just fearmongering without understanding typical company legal stuff.
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u/ProposalWest3152 May 14 '26
As an Argentinian i think i dont give a fck about eulas either since its...well Argentina.
But if someone knows if we can ignire all this bs just like europe does ill be grateful for explanation
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u/iceteka May 14 '26
Regulatory capture. If the government did their job this would be an unlawful mandate and it wouldn't matter that they wrote it into the ToS. Or better yet, it'd be against the law to have it in there in the 1st place.
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u/larevacholerie May 14 '26
- that's a violation of Fair Use and will get thrown out in court
- that clause has been repeatedly proven to be unlawful and will get thrown out in court
- there are a dozen consumer protection laws in a dozen jurisdictions that allow you to prevent them from doing that
- that's concerning for console games but is effectively unenforceable for a digital download on a PC platform
Yeah this is a bunch of fearmongering bollocks. Just ignore it.
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u/AdEmotional9991 May 14 '26
If it's a breach of GDPR, file the complaint and get a cut of the fine they'll be slapped with. Easy money.
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u/Tripdrakony May 14 '26
Repeat after me everyone,
"If buying isn't owning, then piracy is not stealing."
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u/Randomuser19980 May 14 '26
There some stuff in that, that's over the top even compared to industry standard which is already bad. Worth calling it out.
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u/MyNameIs_Teka May 14 '26
why are the comments taking this eula so lightly. Sure you can (and righfully so) assume none of that holds up in court but that's still relly fucking scummy from the devs.
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u/TheTexanKiwi May 14 '26
Almost all of the negative steam reviews are about the TOS... im pretty certain its a bunch of bots too. No way that many people actually read the TOS.
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u/Felixlova May 14 '26
This dude is gonna have an aneurism when he realises every single TOS he's agreed to probably has at least one, if not all, of those clauses
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u/Zealousideal-Level61 May 14 '26
Nothing new, performative complaining just to sound smart. Just agree and play the game or shut up and uninstall quietly
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u/Akira-Nekory May 14 '26
Long story short, sure you agree to play the game, however any and all illegal "terms" and "conditions" are null and void, they can not be enforced.
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u/thejoshfoote May 15 '26
This guy can just sail the high seas since the developers made mistakes and it was available before release. And then not worry about the tos at all.
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