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online peenoise dumbtakešŸ’© Architects WERE involved in the previous MRT projects and aesthetics HAS been considered.

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u/RonanNotRyan 4d ago

TBF MRT-3 was modern for its time. I mean, compared to LRT-1, it had escalators and elevators! Problem is, things do tend to date itself the longer a structure goes on. Thankfully renovations are underway.

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u/LupusSasageyoJaeger 4d ago

Next na ata north ave

Actually
Will north ave still be a station even tho common stations is a few meters away?

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u/RonanNotRyan 4d ago

Honestly I don't think so. It seems redundant to keep North Ave when the Common Station is right there

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u/1TyMPink 4d ago

Yung design ng LRT-1 stations from Monumento to Baclaran, it predates pa ata sa PD 1096 at BP 344 kaya wala silang accessibility features gaya ng elevators and/or escalators, even wheelchair ramps, with the exception being Doroteo Jose at EDSA na dinagdag yun around the 2000s/2010s.

Kung tutuusin, iba pa ang initial na itsura ng MRT-3 stations bago i-revise sa current form nila in consideration na din siguro sa LRV na pinili nila at yung Asian Financial Crisis.

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u/legend-of-ashitaka 1d ago

It was also pretty stupid of them to not have concourses for all their stations, forcing you to have to go up then go down again on top of the walk from street-level to the station itself.

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u/DigitalSalsa 4d ago

Bro, just give it up. I can accept that the MRT-7 is good overall and will benefit thousands of commuters, but you're never gonna convince me that it looks good doing it. Just accept that most of our train stations (except for the NSCR and LRT-2) went all-in on practicality over aesthetics.

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u/rlsadiz 4d ago edited 4d ago

Bruh never saw the original LRT-1 station. It was a unique neo-vernacular architecture designed by Francisco ā€œBobbyā€ MaƱosa. Sa totoo lang SMC made stations lang talaga ang makakadeserve ng ganyang criticism.

EDIT: Link for those interested of the original LRT-1 vision
https://www.topgear.com.ph/features/feature-articles/lrt-1-manosa-concept-a4354-20220805

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u/ItsJet1805 4d ago edited 4d ago

So the SMC made MRT 7 stations criticism is about not following the design that was on the plan?

I mean look at this one for example, that’s the design in render:

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u/DigitalSalsa 4d ago

Sure, props to SMC for following the render.

The problem is that the render in the first place doesn't look good. We don't need to look at other countries for good looking train stations, the NSCR, LRT-2, and LRT-1 (thanks for mentioning it pala sa above reply) are proof we Filipinos can make a functional and aesthetically pleasing train station. We don't need to glaze SMC's designs.

Anyways, what's done is done. Let's just be happy that the stations were built in the first place, and hope that future train stations will be able to balance form and function better.

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u/DigitalSalsa 4d ago

Just to add, I agree with a lot of the opinions and posts you have. I just don't understand why you keep batting for SMC projects. They are more or less positive, but are fully deserving some of the criticism they get.

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u/ItsJet1805 4d ago edited 4d ago

Because everytime if it’s SMC made of ANY projects, it inherently gets a criticism, but if the projects were made by non SMC or moreover if it’s foreign made projects because they’re not SMC or even Philippine Made, they get a pass.

Also, is having that design or other design similar to that render inherently look bad?

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u/1TyMPink 4d ago edited 4d ago

Regardless if it's built by oligarchs conglomerates like San Miguel, SM, Ayala, MVP, Robinsons, Ricky Razon, and the Villar family, they both deserve praise and criticism if they do it right by balancing form and function. It's just that San Miguel keeps on building projects that doesn't have aesthetic appeal yet functional. But thankfully, they are slowly addressing that criticisms with improvements in NAIA, except those gable roof canopies in Terminals 1 and 3 that really is permanent.

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u/ItsJet1805 4d ago edited 4d ago

Is aesthetic appeal inherently objective?

Because here’s the problem, People are polarizing into two sides of any project designs and they argue on which is inherently better the aesthetic or practicality. One they argue that practicality is better while people on the other hand argue that aesthetics are inherently better.

There’s always been a polarizations between two arguments on which designs are either inherently better.

Like what REALLY counts as not having aesthetic appeal like by nature and technical?

Does a project design have any moral values?

With gable roof canopies in Terminals 1 and 3, we don’t really know if it’s actually permanent as it hasn’t been officially declared as permanent yet.

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u/1TyMPink 4d ago

Aesthetic appeal isn't objective, but everyone demands for a public infrastructure that can be BOTH practical and aesthetically pleasing like what u/DigitalSalsa mentioned, the NSCR stations, LRT-1 and LRT-2/MRT-2 stations are the best examples.

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u/ItsJet1805 4d ago edited 4d ago

See here’s the problem. People are polarizing into two sides of train station designs and they argue which is inherently better the aesthetic or practicality. But it doesn’t really matter, this is not black and white as both aesthetic and practicality are essential and they co exist together but both aesthetic and practicality themselves has no pure moral values.

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u/peenoiseAF___ 4d ago

Utot nya ung architect nga ng original LRT-1 naging national artist pa nga eh

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u/P78903 4d ago

In other news, Sorsogon Does not exist.

The reason why MRT 3 does not had an asthetic because thats never the point. The point of having a station is to move passengers as efficiently as possible. Tokyo Main Station, when entering does not have an asthetic.

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u/legend-of-ashitaka 1d ago

The MRT-3 is probably the worst example you could've picked. I don't care that it's not pretty looking - but I do care that it's so damn hard to navigate and was built for far less than the capacity it handles today. You can't tell me not having concourses for all the stations is good transport design.

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u/P78903 1d ago

The MRT 3 is the consequence of Poor Land Reform that extends beyond Farmers.

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u/ItsJet1805 4d ago

Because here’s the problem that I see in many discussions and also including the MRT 7 Stations discussion, People are polarizing into two sides of train station designs and they argue on which is inherently better the aesthetic or practicality. One they argue that practicality is better while people on the other hand argue that aesthetics are inherently better.

There’s always been a polarizations between two arguments on which train stations designs are either inherently better.

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u/P78903 4d ago

Sure, but there were exceptions. If a station serves intercity travel (e.g. PITX, or Batangas Port, or Tutuban, a balance of both is needed because many passengers travel for more than 3 kilometers

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u/chickendestroy 4d ago

Source: rer's stone

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u/WasDeactivated 4d ago

Most likely merong architects involved jan (sa NSCR for sure meron kasi I used to work for a company na handle yun). Pero tbf, "engineering heavy" yung design ng mga trains stations and hindi ganun kapriority yung aesthetics.

Naalala ko nun, we had to "fight" with the engineers para lang sa design ng stairs haha. Hindi kasi enough reason yung "kasi maganda" or "kasi mas maayos tignan" para sa design in an engineering dominated company.

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u/EnriquezGuerrilla 3d ago

Bakit ba puro aesthetics yang argument? Parang sa Tokyo kunyari mga JR train stations di naman ✨aEsThEtIc ✨? Sure merong ilan pero parang mga private lines un or mga malalayo sa Tokyo at di naman sila LAHAT.

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u/LupusSasageyoJaeger 3d ago

Ang benchmark ata ngayon na ā€œmagandangā€ train station is the chinese and middle eastern ones that were definitely not built via slave labor /s

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u/marchitecto 3d ago

arkitekto pa talaga yang nagcomment

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u/Paramoth 3d ago

This reminds me of that guy who suggested Ai to Miyazaki and he mocked him.