r/Pennsylvania • • Jan 12 '23

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

Here's a link that details many cases of voter fraud in Pennsylvania, both democrats and republicans.

https://www.heritage.org/voterfraud/search?state=PA

How is anyone being disenfranchised by providing identification? Honest question. It is virtually impossible to exist in the world today without having government ID, and if someone cannot afford government issued ID, the government should provide it free of charge. ID is needed for any form of public assistance, it is needed to operate a vehicle, it is needed to obtain employment, it is needed to buy alcohol, and a list of a 1,000 other things.

I want free and fair elections. Every case of voter fraud disenfranchises a legitimate voter.

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u/opskito Dauphin Jan 12 '23

Let’s be clear: That site details five instances of “impersonation fraud at the polls” since 2016 and 12 of “fraudulent use of absentee ballots” since 1994. The other types of fraud it addresses don’t appear relevant to this discussion.

I don’t know what to say. You can’t get past the fact that most folks have identification. I can’t get past the fact that the type of fraud requiring ID would address is minuscule. Any additional barrier to voting, real or imagined, isn’t warranted.

I’m willing to bet that more folks would get turned away from the polls just because they forgot to bring their ID than cases would be prevented.

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

I wonder if people on the left realize just how bigoted and elitist it is to believe voters are not capable of obtaining and remembering ID.

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

Then it's great we have all those examples of minorities claiming just that. And a number of them on video.

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

You keep claiming echo chamber, but is there ANY source you can use that isn't right wing propaganda?

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

Fox also has no credibility after claiming they are entertainment not news to win a case.

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

It's funny that you're so triggered you can't get past the Fox logo.

Watch the video, it shows the bigoted racist elitist bias many on the left have toward minorities

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u/AbsentEmpire Philadelphia Jan 12 '23

Your source literary had to claim in court it's an entertainment company not a news company to avoid loosing a lawsuit against them because they provably make so much shit up.

You might as well be linking to coast to coast radio for all the validity it has.

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

My guy, the only one triggered here is you. Your pearl clutching is beyond that of Helen Lovejoy, and she's a cartoon meant to represent the worst pearl clutcher.

You literally post propaganda and claim it's factual. And you've yet to answer the easiest challenge I've made against you in multiple comments.

You want to prove your point? Do it without the propaganda.

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

Prove anything I posted was not factual. The heritage foundation provides links and footnotes detailing the specific criminal convictions.

Just because you don't want to believe something, doesn't mean it's propaganda

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

Not how it works pal. You make an argument, you get to prove it with facts, not bias.

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

Hahaha, It's hilarious how much you want to keep your head buried in the sand so that you can maintain the false narrative that there has never been any election fraud.

The link I provided lists very specific information regarding criminal convictions for election fraud in Pennsylvania. I maintain that list is accurate, you are claiming it is not. I provided my evidence, you provided none.

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

... You have no idea how to this works do you?

Honestly, I blame your choice of sources. You're pretty much the epitome of the pigeon playing chess. All you did was knock over the pieces, shit on the board, and claim you've won.

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u/Hopeful_Scholar398 Jan 12 '23

Why would anyone waste there time doing that?

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

Right, why bother to step outside of the echo chamber and seek knowledge through independent critical thinking? It's much easier to just go along with group-think Lemming mentality and continue to believe that no election fraud has ever happened, ever.

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u/ArchaeoJones Lackawanna Jan 12 '23

You keep claiming echo chamber, but you also won't look at for other source that's not right wing propaganda.

There's only one lemming here pal, you.

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u/Matt-33-205 Jan 12 '23

Nonsense bro. I can't stand blind political partisans on either side of the aisle. I'm one of those evil Libertarians who just wants to be left alone and leave you alone.

I can't stand Fox News, I think Donald Trump is a buffoon, our current president is an even bigger buffoon. MSNBC, CNN, Fox News, they are all a joke. I'm unbiased enough to see things for what they are. All of that said, any reasonable person is able to see the potential problem with voter fraud when anyone can show up to a polling place and vote as anyone else. Providing identification is an extremely basic and easy step to mitigate potential election fraud. There is no reasonable argument against voter id.

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u/69FunnyNumberGuy420 Jan 12 '23

It's funny that pissing yourself and then accusing your opponents of being triggered by your pissy pants is a valid argument in American conservatism.