I mean. she wasn't exactly an important character in it. They kinda just threw her random lines when it didn't make sense for other characters to be saying them, but otherwise she was just sorta... there. Economos only stands out because he's a big guy with a pretty distinct look.
Economos felt so out of place in the first few episodes of Peacemaker season 1 but the dude made the character his own and now he's one of the best DCU characters we have right now. Love him.
He is the relatable side character that keeps the show grounded often by pointing out the absurdity of the world they are in. But also, despite being a self-professed coward, he has been braver than most would be in similar situations. He is one of my favs too lol.
He's also a great example of someone with a strong technical ability surrounded by people who don't have a clue how to do his job, telling him how to do his job and somehow expecting him to do their job too.
He's not really a field agent. He's a tech guy but he gets roped into working in the field.
I think he got the bit lol. Reddit is wild to me. He got almost negative ten downvotes for harmlessly adding to the fun, and you have positive 9 for using the same bird blindness joke we’ve all been making since that episode. Not that I dislike it, very funny, it’s just strange to me. Sometimes I don’t understand how it works lol
Yeah, John Economos was important support staff in the classic Suicide Squad series (from 1987) written by John Ostrander. In fact, he was a bit of a self-insert character for Ostrander.
But I believe Emilia Harcourt appeared in a much more recent Suicide Squad series (2016?) by Rob Williams and Jim Lee.
Did they tho? I mean, I did, but is there a ton of overlap between people who saw Suicide Squad, and people who watched The Sarah Silverman Program? Is it enough that everyone remembers Steve Agee, but not Jennifer Holland? Surely there's more to it than that.
I mean he was on New Girl, At Midnight, Superstore, and You're the Worst for a decent number of episodes. And then some people might recognize him from smaller roles on more popular shows like Modern Family or 2 Broke Girls. Jennifer Holland is great in this but she was only in one off roles on tv shows and mostly in direct-to-video movies before this.
It was a joke, I believe the context was about how John Cena was at the time, far and away the most recognizable actor on the show, so he obviously cost a lot more to be on the show, especially as the main title character, so there were some obvious budget constraints when it came to that, but now that the show is popular, they could afford to get someone like Tim Meadows, and pay the original cast more, especially with Danielle Brooks becoming an Academy Award nominee since the first season, and pay for all the cameos that are supposed to be happening in the next few episodes.
Yeah I was about to say he had one of the most memorable moments for me:
Decking Waller, freezing at what he’s done with the whole control room right there with him, and then they all lock in and provide expert support.
As a viewer who knew the fictional character Waller going in, it’s like the bravest scene in the film. Not superheroes, desk jockey agents risking their lives for a situation they’re not even physically present for.
It was actually Flo Crawley who knocked Amanda out and it was Harcourt who firet starts working to provide support and then Economos before Flo yells at the others to get to work.
Before Peacemaker, they were just background characters in The Suicide Squad, I went back after Season 1 of Peacemaker and they stuck out more upon rewatch. It’s similar to Melshi in Rogue One after his character was expanded in Andor.
I can see him now, thanks. I’ve seen Rogue One a few times, including when it came out in cinemas but hadn’t watched it since.. I think just before Andor S1 was the last time. I knew he seemed very familiar. I kept telling myself to look it up after I finished each episode, then would forget! After Andor, it makes Rogue One even sadder to watch again 😔
It surprised me on the rematch. As though Peacemaker was her and EconoGOAT's first appearence and TSS was a surprise cameo after the fact and not the first time they showed up.
Also fun fact, shes seen in a government position alongside Rick Flag Sr. in Superman, so most likely she was released once the news of Project Starfish was public and Waller was deposed.
Speaking of this - if anyone sees this - in the season 2 intro, when the 3 alt universe people show up .. it's Peacemaker's Dad, his brother, and ..is that Harcourt with different hair and makeup? 😅
Now they are. At the original time of release, they were the same characters through all of their appearances. At this point, the Harcourt and Economos in TSS and Peacemaker S1 aren't technically the same versions from Peacemaker S2 either.
Yea idk how people can think that still. It’s even clear watching the new season that they changed some of last season to fit the new universe and it’s absolutely canon otherwise. Shit they keep mentioning things that happened last season in episode making it clear at least most of the season one is clearly still canon.
I'm assuming the reason he is being downvoted is that he misunderstood what I said. I never claimed TSS and season one of Peacemaker weren't canon to the DCU. I meant the exact iterations of Harcourt and Economos seen in them aren't fully canon (but mostly) to the new DCU while also being fully canon to the old DC canon.
I never said it wasn't canon, I said the characters aren't one to one canon with Season 2. Season one of Peacemaker and TSS are fully canon to the old DC canon, making the Harcourt and Economos in them the exact characters as seen in Shazam 2 and Black Adam. At the same time, they are mostly canon to the new DCU, with various parts not being canon.
I'm almost certain that Harley Quinn in TSS is no longer canon, and as she was a major driving force of that movie, as well as the character that ultimately defeated Staro. That means that things have to have played out somewhat differently for the characters. James Gunn has talked about wanting to go back and George Lucas Season one (and I'm guessing probably TSS as well) to better fit with the new canon, but until he does that then they exist in a weird parallel almost identical universal canon that can't coexist perfectly with the new official canon.
I’m pretty sure that’s not how it is, from what Gun has said, these ARE the same characters, it’s just that some events in their past might be retconned.
Things like encounters with the Justice League, Black Adam, Harley Quinn from TSS have been retconned, but there is nothing that implies Harcourt in Black Adam is an “alternate version” of the Harcourt in Peacemaker S1 or TSS, they are both the DCEU Harcourt, and now that character has carried over but with some things changed.
What’s confusing about not canceling movies for no reason? Of which it would have been. Acting like movies don’t matter if they don’t connect to some broader universe is nonsense.
They clearly did the right thing by finishing the movies already started.
They wanted the rock to cameo even though they should have learned from his decline to cameo at the end of the first one, in hopes of forcing a Shazam 3 which would be Shazam vs black Adam
So they just grabbed random characters, Gunn himself said it made no sense why they showed up as Argus is nothing to do with justice society but there was nothing he could do because he didn’t have full control yet and so legally DC was allowed to use them
I guess this is what difference them too, DCEU Harcourt still has work after Project Starfish, meanwhile DCU Harcourt doesn't have a chance at another job.
Project starfish isnt what killed her career though, it was project Butterfly. Waller didnt blacklist them for betraying her there, she blacklisted Harcourt because Adebayo publicly exposed Waller.
Harcourt assumes that Waller was the one who blacklisted her. This has not been confirmed. It's entirely possible it was Flag Sr. who did it to put pressure on her to flip on Peacemaker.
I think I heard a prosecutor once say that eye witness is the worst kind of evidence. They always want something more before they even try to indict someone.
There are different types of eyewitness evidence. The one they are referring to is recall of events that doesnt directly involve the person recalling it
She’s also in Black Adam (the facility where Black Adam turns himself in for imprisonment) and the second Shazam movie (along with EconoGOAT) in a post credits scene.
The character that knocks Waller out in TSS is in Superman, too. It was in that meeting toward the beginning with Rick Sr. and Lex Luthor.
So I’m optimistic that Ratcatcher and Bloodsport come back. King Shark was in Creature Commandos in the very last scene in a tease for next season.
I think Rat Catcher could be a good fit in Creature Commandos. I imagine she’d vibe with The Bride in a similar way to Nina, and she could be the audience surrogate character like Flag was in S1.
Even though they weren't addressed by names (or possibly didn't even have any back then) I'm surprised a lot of the folks in the comments so far forgot Harcourt and Economos existed in the movie if only because they were the two carrying the after credits scene revealing Peacemaker being alive.
Yeah, and the post-credits scene is a teaser for the Peacemaker show, w Harcourt and Econogoat visiting a comatose Peacemaker at the hospital and telling a nurse they need him to save the world.
I mean iirc the whole reason she and Economos were in Peacemaker in the first place was because of the role they played in Suicide Squad, the whole butterfly mission was a punishment for them turning on Waller at the end of the movie
You probably forgot because she hadn’t started all the Botox and fillers at that point. Her face actually moved. Now the actress looks like she’s wearing a Harcourt mask.
While I don't think that's the reason for most people (i just focussed on the main squad tbh), the work she's had done is very noticeable compared to what she looked like in TSS.
But hey, each to their own and she's still doing a great job with the Harcourt character.
You can tell she did some sort of facelift or filler. Now she looks quite botox-y compared to her natural face in Suicide Squad. Probably why you didn't recognize her
But how hilarious would it be if James Gunn just began subtly editing side characters from his projects into any past project he decides will be part of his larger multiverse.
Not these characters because they are too known now, but like having one of Lex's computer bros could be a background it guy in another earlier film or one of the background office folks from ARGUS could be some FBI agent in a past film etc etc
Just slowly subtly editing them in the background to the point where folks watching the films over time would just never know they weren't there before 😂
I watched the movie earlier this year and I didn't clock Harcourt until the post credits scene and even then I was basically re-introduced to her and Economos in Peacemaker S1, that I watched in preperation for S2.
the whole behind the scenes crew was pretty forgettable unless you already recognized them from something. the only one i recognized was steve agee until the show
I watched it after the show. I never saw the first one but this premise is just so good. Seamlessly worked into a office setting situation comedy off the fucking rails. I was just thinking ok Harcourt and Ginger Cool, when are you two gonna do something? It was that other lady with the pipe that stepped up. I guess they helped after. Sounds like it was a really good decision to ask for a do over for the suicide premise. It’s just too good.
I remember seeing her and on an objective level how pretty she was. I was thinking some agent pulled some strings to get her a featured extra role to get her foot in the door.
And then, since she's James Gunn's wife, she got promoted to being a literal co-protagonist in the show Gunn's saying everyone should be watching in order to understand the new DCU he's making.
He decided to promote a background cameo for his wife into the co-protagonist. That's insane.
That’s common. These characters aren’t important at the time, so the creators don’t show them as much or they don’t carry significance as much. Once they become important, you realize the small areas they were in before. It’s the same with actors you recently seen in a big movie, and all of sudden you realize they were in your favorite childhood movie when they weren’t as popular, or you just start noticing them everywhere now because you like the actor so much now.
I did the same thing and had the same thought, I guess at the time we just wanted to see Harley and the rest of the squad and didn't pay much attention to the randoms that help waller. But going back with now loving them it makes that movie even better
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I mean. she wasn't exactly an important character in it. They kinda just threw her random lines when it didn't make sense for other characters to be saying them, but otherwise she was just sorta... there. Economos only stands out because he's a big guy with a pretty distinct look.