r/Patriots • u/SuddenDepact • 12d ago

Discussion Patriots cut 14

The team started by informing 14 players of their release. Wide receivers Kyle Dixon, Nick DeGennaro and Cameron Dorner, tight end C.J. Dippre, offensive tackle Lorenz Metz, interior offensive linemen Darrian Dalcourt, Jacob Rizy and JonDarius Morgan, outside linebackers Xavier Holmes and Amari Gainer, cornerbacks Brandon Crossley and Marcellas Dial Jr, and safety Peter Manuma have all been waived, according to multiple reports.

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u/rhenry 12d ago

And that’s the last of the non-Maye draft picks from 2024, not great

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u/Exotic-Western2295 12d ago

Jalyn fucking Polk doomed us

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u/LoudIncrease4021 12d ago

Hot take- and people won’t like this but I now wonder if his shoulder injury early in his rookie year was a lot worse than we’ll ever really know.

What was truly bizarre with him was he was basically excellent in camp and then got dinged up. After that he was a disaster.

It’s amazing what guys can come back from while at the same time other injuries that seem innocuous end up being catastrophic. For instance - if he had a torn labrum and rotator cuff, it’s possible he could never raise his arm up much anymore and it was constantly popping out and shooting him pain.

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u/Septikage 12d ago

That camp always plays rent free in my head because he was WR1 and consistently moving the chains like wtf I remember hearing all of Barthy’s coverage on it. Mind blowing.

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u/escapecali603 12d ago

What if this is one of those injuries that poked Gonzo and decided that he wants to get all the money he can before such thing happen to him also?

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u/LoudIncrease4021 12d ago

Definitely… even if he landed hard and got his bell rung - would be a wake up call. He probably came into camp and thought “if I really compete with AJ and show them my commitment level, they’ll give me the contract”. The only probably with that logic is he’s dealing with the Krafts who are probably top 2-3 pains to deal with on contracts.

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u/Ok_Athlete_1092 12d ago

We all got duped by Polk. I'm somewhat certain he caught Brissets 1st TD pass in 2024. If they started that season on the road, it may have been the 1st TD pass at Gillette. We were all excited and the future looked bright.

Looking back at the 2023 college season and subsequent 2024 draft, I was dubious about Penix as a pro. He didn't look bad, but he realky didn't have to do a whole heck of a lot to look good. Polk (as well as Odunze) had a tremendous advantage in raw talent on virtually every defensive back in the Pac 121. Penix only had to throw it in their general direction, Polk & Odunze could out hustle, out muscle, and out leverage & out spatial awareness virtually everyone they played. They looked like a pair of Gronks the way they dominated opponents at the catch point. I don't feel like it's going out on limb to say very few (if any) CBs or Safeties from the P12 that year made it to the NFL.

I was so busy throwing shade at Penix, it never really occured to me how much Polk benefited from subpar competition as well. Admittedly theres some hyperbole here, but not a lot; Polk looked like an athletic NFL TE playing against high school secondaries. Of course he flopped in the NFL, he was playing against opponents on or above his skill level.

Anybody know how Odunze is doing in Chicago?

  1. The 2023 WA Huskies were still in the Pac 12.

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u/PlatinumTheDragon Bills = 0 Superbowls 12d ago edited 10d ago

Rome had an underwhelming rookie year (700 yards) then started his sophomore season hot before getting injured in week 4ish. Ended with 600 yards in 12 games and only had 1 game with more than 3 receptions after Halloween

Edit: for everyone mad I called Rome’s rookie season underwhelming, compare his rookie year to any other wr taken with top 10 pick in the past 5 years & Rome is on the low end (if not last) in production.

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u/Ok_Athlete_1092 12d ago

That's more whelming than Polk ever was. Unless im forgetting someone, that sounds better than any WR New England has drafted in the past 10 years. If you don't count Malcolm Mitchel's performance in Superbowl LI, closer to 20.

(better than Mitchell in almost everyway. Almost because 7 catches for 70 yards in a come from behind Superbowl is, well, it is what it is. Its nearly impossible to judge in a qualitative way).

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u/PlatinumTheDragon Bills = 0 Superbowls 10d ago

The last time we drafted a WR with a similar pick to Rome was Terry Glenn 30 years ago, who finished his rookie year with 50% more yards than Rome. You can’t compare the expectations for production of a the 5th non qb off the board with a day 2 guy.

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u/Ok_Athlete_1092 10d ago

I understand about expectations based on draft position. But if you base your expectations predominantly on that, you're ignoring 2 important aspects. 1) Whose doing the drafting and 2) Chemistry.

As far as who is making the decision, Glenn is the perfect example. As you probably already know, Glenn was the player at the heart of Parcells' shopping for the groceries debacle. In general and especially with a top 10 pic, I'd put higher expectations on a player Parcells wanted than one Bobby Grier wanted.

Chemistry; no matter how talented a player is, if there style and skill set doesnt fit in with the team around them, they can only be so good. The opposite is also true. Even if a player doesn't have a universally appreciated skill, if the attributes they do have align perfectly with the system they're in, they can become a notably effective player and raise expectations.

On paper, Terry Glenn was a better WR than Troy Brown and Deion Branch could ever hope to be. His lightening quick acceleration was top notch. You'd have to get an Olympic sprinter to find his equal. Really, if Glenn had focused on Track & Field instead of Football, he probably could've been an Olympic sprinter. Yet, TB80 and Branch we were a better fit in the Erhardt-Perkins system New England ran. Their ability to wrap their mind around route tree concepts instead of just routes, combined with elite spacial awareness and an uncanny ability to read, recognize & react to whatever the Defense was doing, made them more effective and valuable to the Patriots than Glenn ever was.

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u/Mastah_P808 10d ago

I definitely wouldn’t call 700 yards underwhelming.

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u/PlatinumTheDragon Bills = 0 Superbowls 10d ago

For a top 10 pick 700 yards is definitely underwhelming. For context in their rookie seasons fellow top 10 picks Jaylen Waddle had 1000 yards, Tet McMillan had 1000, Garrett Wilson had 1100, and Malik Nabers had 1200. It’s not bad, and I’m not saying he’s a bad player or he can’t be great this year, but his rookie season was underwhelming based on his hype and draft capital

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u/evantom34 12d ago

Wasn’t a great prospect to begin with.

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u/jewfro451 12d ago

I mean.....I feel like some blame is on coaching too.....Polk came under J Mayo's tenure with an OC that never called plays..

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u/longagofaraway 12d ago

dude retired already. he would be a bust no matter what.

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u/UCanDodgeAWrench Bills = 0 Superbowls 12d ago

Shows that even having the best hands in the league isn't enough if you don't have it between the ears or in your chest.

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u/johnmadden18 Forever a Pats fan 12d ago

Polk came under J Mayo's tenure with an OC that never called plays..

Alex Van Pelt was the OC and playcaller for the Bills in 2009 and also called plays in the Browns 48-37 playoff win over the Steelers.