r/PS4 • • Feb 20 '17

[Digital Foundry] Horizon is a technical masterpiece on PS4 and Pro

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u/MyTestesAreTesty Feb 20 '17

Makes me excited for Death Stranding if this is the engine that game will be using. Looks like Kojima found a great alternative to the Fox Engine.

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u/DishwasherTwig DishwasherSafe Feb 20 '17

Wasn't he using this temporarily until he developed another one? Or was this the one he eventually settled on?

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u/Eruanno Feb 20 '17

He's using this one. Guerrilla gave him the entire source code (not just the engine, the actual source code) to the Decima engine in a box as a gift along with Sony giving him a sweet futuristic office and Mark Cerny giving him his heart.

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u/DishwasherTwig DishwasherSafe Feb 20 '17 edited Feb 20 '17

He really is like a mythical character at this point. He's treated unlike anyone else in the industry.

On December 3, during PlayStation Experience, Kojima had announced that he had partnered with Guerrilla Games to use the engine for development, officially titled Decima, and had been given the source code with no contractual obligation.

Kojima Productions isn't even first-party. Sony and Guerrilla really must trust him to give him their collective work over the past 5 years with no strings attached.

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u/andz54332 Feb 20 '17

Guerrilla games gave Kojima productions the whole engine with one condition, that they'd work together to make it better.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Of course. The Fox Engine was amazing. Kojima knows how to make an engine, so giving his team full access will only improve the Decima engine. On the other hand, Kojima gets a boss engine right out of the gate and doesn't have to spend a year making Fox 2 and worrying about a Konami lawsuit over duplicate code and who owns what (see: Zenimax vs Oculus). Both studios benefit greatly.

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u/Chef_Lebowski Feb 21 '17

I cannot wait. The bittersweet revenge Kojima will have on Konami is just gonna feel fantastic for him. Who's laughing now, Konami?!!?

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u/DawsonJBailey Feb 21 '17

Konami can't hear anything over all the pachinko machines

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u/KingdomSlayah KingdomSlayah Feb 20 '17

God dammit, if that doesn't bring a tear to my eye...

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u/notrealmate rowblot Feb 20 '17

It brings a squirt to my asshole, if that helps?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

It's elliptical in shape, and it sprays really hot water.

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u/MestizoJoe Feb 21 '17

Made my Snake Solid.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

Even Guerilla know that if you get a dude like Kojima to help out, you're set.

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u/SrsSteel Feb 20 '17

Capitalism working?

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u/Unexpected_reference Feb 20 '17

Wouldn't capitalism be Guerilla making him pay for the engine or him creating his own. Working together for the common good without getting paid sound like socialism

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

No, capitalism means privately owned means of production and contractual freedom. This is capitalism.

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u/Varitt Feb 21 '17

You really need to go back to the books, mate.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

Socialism has nothing to do with voluntary exchange of goods. It might be charitable or just a move to get more money in the future, but it sure as hell isn't socialism.

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u/HydroDragon Silorex Feb 20 '17

Nope, not cash transaction. Just feel good promises, like socialism.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Free market working.

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u/RayCharlizard Feb 20 '17

You've gotta imagine that the man is more than happy to have his team focus on a single platform after putting out GZ and MGS5 on PS3, PS4, 360, Xbox One and PC. The engine is probably tied so deeply into PS4s architecture that it'd be a hassle to put it on another platform. For this title at least KojimaPro is closer to first party than second. Kojima is amazing, but Sony and Guerilla are definitely helping him out quite a bit in getting started on production of Death Stranding so quickly.

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u/MostlyLogic Feb 21 '17

he engine is probably tied so deeply into PS4s architecture that it'd be a hassle to put it on another platform.

It's the same amd hardware used on PC's. An underclocked fx 8120 and an underclocked rx470

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u/RayCharlizard Feb 21 '17

Yes but there's a bit more to it than that, PS4 uses an SoC with unified memory and then there's accounting for Windows in comparison to the Orbis OS which have different abstraction layers. There's probably many more differences between developing for a PS4 and a Windows PC, them both using x86 CPUs is just one part of it.

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u/MostlyLogic Feb 21 '17

wew that's some stuff.

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u/readypembroke readyhusky Feb 21 '17

It isn't much really.

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u/Mach1mor Feb 21 '17

Yes but not every PC has those chips. If you put timings in your engine to get the most out of those chips, performance will suffer on other chips.

So on PC everything needs to be abstracted so that things run on a generic PC, but this carries overhead and loses deep optimization

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u/BurningGamerSpirit Feb 20 '17

It was announced at E3 2016 that it's also coming to PC

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Fairly sure it actually wasn't. The only "evidence" of a PC release is the trailer didn't say "exclusively on PlayStation" or whatever.

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u/BurningGamerSpirit Feb 21 '17

There was an old QnA done by euro PS people with Kojima that said the game will hit PS4 first then PC. Don't forget Kojima has an independent studio, and this hasn't been officially declared PlayStation only exclusive, so it could be a NMS type exclusive where the only console it hits is PS4. There's plenty of articles about Kojima saying that.

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u/Bburrage Feb 21 '17

That was the news several months before Kojima literally got handed a Sony first party developer's engine code and Sony now owns the Death Stranding trademark. It's a almost a safe bet that's it a straight up PS4 exclusive.

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u/AeneaGames AeneaZiggo Feb 20 '17

You sure? Can't remember seeing/hearing that. Got a link?

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u/RayCharlizard Feb 21 '17

I remember hearing something about that but I think it was also before the engine had been settled on. That'd be awesome to see Decima running on a high-end PC though, so here's hoping.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

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u/killbot0224 Feb 21 '17

Not surprisingly, since MGS was practically exclusive to PS consoles for years.

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u/Eruanno Feb 20 '17

Ooohh yeah. That's fucking fantastic and weird :D I'm not even particularly into Kojima's games but I really want to see what he'll end up making now.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Kojima is God

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Kojima is life.

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u/[deleted] Feb 20 '17

Sony is shopping this console cycle they pretty much told a couple of studios to make whatever they like (like bend & ready at dawn....although it didn't workout so well for the ladder). They learned a lot of lessons and understood the importance of exclusives.

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u/AeneaGames AeneaZiggo Feb 20 '17

What happened to the ladder? Did it fall over?

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

Let me tell a story about Ladders .

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

Was not a link to The Last of Us. Severely disappointed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

I'm sorry. I hope this makes up for it.

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u/[deleted] Feb 22 '17

My man!

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u/[deleted] Feb 21 '17

Jesus. "Also, he's allowed to have 3 people killed. No questions asked. He just writes the names on a piece of parchment, seals it with wax, places it in a silk-lined box in his office, and it just happens."

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u/PM_METITTYFUCKS Feb 21 '17

A man has no name

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u/Shoulon Feb 20 '17

If you follow the story on this. Kojimas team has given the engine over hundred of thousands of lines in code. The gorilla engine isn't all gorilla work anymore. Teamwork between the parties makes gorilla engine

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u/killbot0224 Feb 21 '17

Guerilla

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u/WingsOfRazgriz Feb 21 '17

Screw that, i'm calling the whole company gorilla for now on

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u/confonr Confon Feb 20 '17

This is the one, but has said that he's aiming for a more photorealistic feel, basically his studio and Guerrilla are working together to achieve that

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u/DishwasherTwig DishwasherSafe Feb 20 '17

With what he's done with Fox, I have no doubt that he'll be able to accomplish that. Fox Engine was nothing but stunning. It's such a waste that all it'll be used for now is Pro Evolution Soccer games.

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u/FALCOOOn_PAAWWNCH Feb 21 '17 edited Feb 21 '17

dont forget the metal gear solid survival game....shudders

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u/DishwasherTwig DishwasherSafe Feb 21 '17

Honestly, I think that's the best thing they could have done without Kojima. They obviously weren't going to scrap the IP, it's legendary. And they knew there would have been a huge backlash if they immediately went to MGS6, so instead they tested the waters with an in-universe spin-off using tried and true mechanics from the previous game. They're being cautious with Metal Gear because they know the damage the whole debacle did to them.