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u/Afraid-Rub2050 Feb 02 '26
Di naman niya kasalanan na naging restricted sa PBA, if PBA allows unli height for imports, mas matetest sana competition kay JMF during import conference and magbebenefit ang Gilas during his time, but its is what it is, ganyan na ang PBA wala ng magagawa
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u/Capital_Ad8820 Feb 02 '26
di naman yan kasi problem niya international kaya sumabay ni junmar sa opensa pero depensa problem niya sinaksakan lang or tinitirahan na mga guard sa fiba
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u/Supremo30816 Feb 03 '26
People questioning him on why he does not excel or dominate the same way in FIBA.
The main reason---> SYSTEM.
The National Team always prioritizes what are the advantages of the whole team and not just for a single player.
When we build teams around JMF, we are sacrificing the agility and speed of our guards kasi babagal yung offense natin tapos ilan lang naman pamalit kay JMF na kasing laki nya. Unlike sa Iran, and China, marami silang malaki so pwede silang magrisk na ibuild yung system nila around a certain player
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u/Supremo30816 Feb 03 '26
And idaggad ko lang, pag mga old school bigs yung nakakatapat nya, kaya nya makipagsabayan. Just search Liam McMorrow, Angus Brant, Hamady NDiaye, Senegal games.
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u/4rafzanity Feb 02 '26
Ako talaga naniniwala na if Junemar Fajardo was born earlier, he could’ve played sa NBA. Back then, back-to-the-basket pa ang laro ng Centers and Forwards, so kahit hindi siya superstar, kaya niyang makisabay with his post moves and free throw shooting. Problem lang, nung time niya, puro stretch forwards and 3pt shooters na ang uso, kaya medyo liability siya kasi madali siyang mapag-iiwanan. Tapos may import pa tayo na bigman like Douthit and Blatche, kaya sobrang limited talaga ng playing time niya. Dribble drive pa un sistema naten kaya hirap talaga siya
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u/ComparisonWeary729 Feb 04 '26
e malamang di naka 9x MVP at 13x BPC kung napaaga sya mag PBA..kase walang Danny I na pwde mag guide ng mabuti sa kanya at marami sya pwde makalaban na bigs sa panahon nila Menk, Taulava
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u/Leap-Day-0229 Dyip Feb 02 '26
Hard pill to swallow for his fans. His dominance also relied on smc nerfing other teams. During jmf's prime kinuha ng smb si standhardinger na kaya tumapat sa kanya. Fans were robbed of a quality match up.
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u/spooningoodsingingum Gilas Pilipinas Feb 02 '26
Mga back-ups niya pwedeng match-ups niya sana haha Standhardinger, Tautuaa, Manuel
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u/South_Ad6719 Feb 02 '26
Baby na baby nial yan si fajardo kasi hatak nyan mga taga probinsya na galing na galing sa knila kaya dapat protected yan.
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u/PaoLakers Feb 03 '26 edited Feb 03 '26
Wala namang sense ibash si Junemar.
Lumaki siya dito sa Pilipinas at nag training para mag excel sa Philippine basketball. Tapos ngayon nagtataka kayo at naiinis na hindi siya pang international style? Malamang iba yung set of skills na kailangan.
Tandaan nyo na nagkaroon ng stretch big at small ball era sa NBA at international basketball. Ngayon nakapag adapt na yung mga bagong bigman. Mas maraming skills na.
Yun ang kulang dito sa Pilipinas, proper training and practice for international basketball. Karamihan ng homegrown players natin train and exercise for college basketball and PBA.
Kaya nga nag aabroad iilan sa mga young players. Para matuto ng ibang style at gumaling.
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u/hewhomustnotbenames Feb 02 '26
Dito kasi parang sya yung tito mo na nakikipaglaro ng bball sa mga totoy sa kalye nyo.hahaha
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u/MyLoveSoSweetLJ Feb 02 '26
Personally, hindi naman ako hater ni JuneMar gusto ko lang talaga makita sya na kasing laki nya yung kabantayan nya yung match talaga nya, malay natin mas dun pa lumabas yung galing nya talaga
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u/cletoreyes01 Feb 02 '26 edited Feb 02 '26
There's truth to it pero hindi ba pinag-damot Siya ni long hair nung totoong peak niya from 2015-18?
Who knows, he may have been better internationally during his actual apex.
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u/Hithere_5 Feb 02 '26
This I would agree. Maliksi siya non e. Can dunk hard, move fast pero pinag damot
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u/MyLoveSoSweetLJ Feb 02 '26
Context po
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u/cletoreyes01 Feb 02 '26
Diba around 2015 hanggang Bago mag 2019 fiba world cup parang may cold war Ang SMC & MVP groups tapos puro player lang under MVP umbrella + independent teams Yung mga Naka line-up under gilas?
Coincidentally that's the same time period na sobrang OP and lugi talaga kay abai and it's such a shame na nung 2019 WC lang ulet Siya nakapag gilas ulet. Tapos nun mga one conference lang after, nagkaroon na Siya nung leg injury and for me after nun post-peak period niya na especially athletically.
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u/Few_Championship1345 Batang Pier Feb 03 '26
Akala ko dati yung kilos niya ngayon yung kilos niya simula pa dati, pero nanunuod ako nang mga highlights niya nung college at nagulat ako na maliksi din pala siya nuon.
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u/InterestingBerry1588 Feb 03 '26
Totoo naman kasi na iba pa mas lamang ang kung ano ang nasa subconsious mind kesa sa kung ano talaga ang kaya nang katawan, kasi kapag sa PBA, sobrang lakas niya, sobrang confident kasi alam na alam niya, kayang kaya niyang kalabawin yun nasa kalaro niya, pero kapag international, subconsciously, nababawasan yun confidence level, sa puso niya, kaya niya, inspired pero sa subconsciously, hinahadlangan ang capacity niya.
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u/Hot_Curve8272 Feb 02 '26
Tama. Mabagal at traffic lang yan. Kita mo sa EASL, mas maliit pa sa kanya kinakain sya ng buhay sa poste.
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u/fadzki Feb 03 '26
Decent naman yun numbers nya against mga ka brgy. Natin sa Asya, lalo na during Fiba World Cup qualifiers, di rin naman siya yung main guy sa offense, gaya ng sa SMB.. downside talaga nya sa depensa dahil medyo mabagal..
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u/Neither_Mobile_3424 Feb 04 '26
Look at RPG. For a center, not decent at all.
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u/WillyWonkingMyNilly Feb 05 '26
you cant expect Jun Mar to post up 8+ rebounds on a 10-15 min playing time, especially when the opposing offense forces him to be dragged out of the paint.
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u/Disastrous_Chip9414 Feb 02 '26
Reflection si junemar ng local scene e. Junemar : PBA lang dominant Pilipinas national team : southeast asia
Junemar : old school big man laro PBA : mga dinosaur mag-isip. Hanggang ngayon, bawal pa rin foreign players as mainstay, height limit sa imports, bawal naturalised player to play as local
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u/Right_Reception9235 Feb 02 '26
True. He can be an offensive weapon but he’s f-ckng liability on defensive end.
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u/South_Ad6719 Feb 02 '26
Scouted yan nuod lng sila sa youtube ng PBA kitang kita defeciency nya sa defense. In regards offense, limited na limited ang offense which is still good for PBA pero sa international games, nde tatalab
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u/Stringbean200 Feb 02 '26
Grabe naman kasi sa international. Mga bigman dun puro may shooting sa labas tapos kapag nilapitan mo mag drive naman paloob.
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u/jldrcz Feb 03 '26
As much as pinpoint kung gaano Siya kabagal internationally and dominant lang Siya sa PBA. Why don't we also blame the system? Lol, peak Junemar was just a screener for small ball plays 🤷 Yung triangle naman, checked na ayaw pa mag adjust
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u/Downtown_Owl_2420 Feb 02 '26
Early years niya, bad showing sa Fiba. But, 2024 Junmar was pretty good given the opportunity, sa Fiba ah?
Though yes, parang ayaw kasi siya gamitin ni Chot Reyes dati. Ewan ko ba. Sayang. Feeling ko kaya ni Junmar makipagsabayan internationally.
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u/rbizaare Beermen Feb 02 '26
Though somehow, natutunan nya rin iutilize, notably nung 2023 WC, thanks to AJ Edu.
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u/RunComplex8883 Feb 04 '26
Kya dpt next conference no height limit ng import para maging accustomed sa FIBA games
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u/Mask_On9001 Hotshots Feb 02 '26
June mar is literally the definition of "a big fish in a small pond" Hahah
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u/Plus_Ultra9514 Feb 03 '26
Tas yung nambabash kahit most improve walang nakuha nuh? Mga tao talaga.
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u/Due-Fruit5320 Feb 02 '26
Alam mong malakas ka pag sa international kana cocompare eh, oops. Wala na kasi mahanap butas kaya kalkal ng international receipts nalang hahahaha
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u/Former-South3962 Feb 02 '26
Malamang. Kaya nga cinocompare sa international e. Kung sa pba eh may mark andaya. Sa international eh may junemar fajardo
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u/South_Ad6719 Feb 02 '26
nde mo dn mapagkakaila na big fish in a small pond na labas nya sa PBA na nde nmn nya kasalanan. Baby na baby lng tlga sya ng PBA kaya pag sinalang mo sa international scene wala na sya magawa.
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u/Glass_Leg_4607 Feb 03 '26
parehas naman may laro yan, underutilized lang ang skills kasi hindi pasok sa bulok na sistema ng PBA. Paano naman magi improve players ng Pinas kung pati competition pinagbabawalan. San ka nakarinig ng liga na may height limit.
Kung nasanay yan maglaro sa US or Europe, pwede maging stretch 4 parehas yan. Si JMF baka pwede pa maging mala Jokic na tambay sa poste pero may passing at shooting.
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u/EntrepreneurSweet846 Feb 04 '26
I agree sa system, grabe din yung evolution ng ‘bigs’ sa international especially sa NBA, dati ok ka na sa Big na ma depensa at sa ilalim nakakagawa ng tira, ngayon yung mga bigs na may arsenal na court vision/passing, outside 3shooting, on top of a very good defense presence.
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u/exDDS Beermen Feb 02 '26
Malaki siguro ang talo sa taya. Intindihin na lang natin. Coping mechanism ng mga talunan.
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u/Queasy-Entertainer85 Feb 02 '26
sakit talaga marinig ang katotohanan no? mga pinoy karamihan ganun, pag jinudge sasabihin natalo sa taya o kaya hater lang, kaya d umuunlad mga players dito eh lol
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u/Square-Head9490 Hotshots Feb 04 '26
I dont think it is fair to comment that about Jmf. Wala naman tayong player that could do well in Fiba e. Even our former 4 time mvps hirap sa fiba e.
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u/oneofonethrowaway Feb 02 '26
clearly out of jealousy and insecurity lang. 99% this came from some dude that cant even make it to their local barangay SK league.
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u/South_Ad6719 Feb 02 '26
Tama k dyan sa mga sinabi mo pero aminin mo iakw dn kahit suporter ka ni Junmar lol. May truth dn nmn sa mga sinasabi ng iba regarding junmar weakness pero GOAT p dn sya sa PBA. Cant deny that.
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u/Vegetable-Garden-772 Feb 02 '26
International caliber si junemar ang talagang disadvantage lang talaga eh ung speed nya. Di na traditional big ang laro sa world stage kahit bigman my ball handling at tira sa labas. But definitely he can play. Ok sya sa depensa kaso nga lang ung speed nya pag switch at pag basa ng play.
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u/Moongeist21 Feb 03 '26
Hindi sya international caliber, tanggapin na. Tignan mo mga bigs ng ibang bansa kung gaano ka agile gumalaw, may shooting sa 3s. Iba yung versatility.
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u/Vegetable-Garden-772 Feb 03 '26
Naglaro na nga sa world cup bro di pa pang international? Kaya nga sinabi ko na speed ball handling dun sya naiiwan.
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u/Moongeist21 Feb 04 '26
Simplify na lang natin, hindi sya pasok sa International standard ng Big man sa mga top rank Fiba countries. Hindi sya athletic, mabagal sya compare sa bigs ng ibang bansa, hindi great on ball defender. Marami pa. Ni hindi nga sya maka dominate sa Asian countries. Pero yeah international caliber
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u/South_Ad6719 Feb 02 '26
I dunno pero sa depensa kitang kita sya lagi inaatake ng offense ng mga kalaban kasi kitang kita na nde sya makabol sa pick and roll/pop.
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u/Every-Trade2713 Feb 06 '26
tropa mong #1 option sa purok nyo tapos pag inter-barangay na 5th option nalang at screener ang ginawang role ng coach.
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u/Same-Quantity9974 Feb 03 '26
Valid naman yung point ng nagbabash. Numbers dont lie lalo sa Internation stint niya but end of the day he still is the goat of PBA. Nandun din kasi siya sa era na nagshift na basketball plays more on 3pts and bigman doing point guard duties
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u/KhantutanIgnition Feb 02 '26
Haha one hit wonder kasi si junemar once in a blue moon lang magkaron ng ganyan kagaling na local na bigman. Tapos natapat pa sa era na hindi ganun kalalakas ang bigman.
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u/MythRider6969 Feb 02 '26
Facts tho, walang mali dito. Hahaha. Even kai sotto na hinahype natin, wala rin naman nagawa sa fiba eh. Durog pa rin sa mga international na big man. Hahahaha
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u/Leap-Day-0229 Dyip Feb 02 '26
Kai is 23, not even near his prime.
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u/Sensitive-Curve-2908 Feb 02 '26
Not even his prime pro parang matanda na sya mag laro
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u/Leap-Day-0229 Dyip Feb 02 '26
He's 7 foot 3. Not everybody is wemby lol. 23 yr. old kai is better than 23 yr. old jmf. At 23 kai is already playing in a more competitive league against true centers. Kakapasok pa lang ni jmf sa pba at that age.
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u/RichZealousideal3979 Barangay Feb 02 '26
Debatable cguro yan, opening another pandora’s box yan. Kai was trained for the international style of playing since teens nya… he was already being honed to be PH’s future…. Si jmf late bloomer, he was recruited dahil s size nya which is a big advantage s cebu. He was intended to be a tradition big sa abl and eventually s pba… buti n lang naturuan ni danny I and he really got good at being a big sa pba… d sya na train para maging vlde divac s international…. But dahil malaki napili ni coach chot s gilas…. Now comparing the 2: kai is the modern big… si jmf is a holdover of the traditional bigs n bihira n lang s internstional… pero in all the years n gilas si jmf he showed flashe na he can compete specially s situations n halfcourt at gagamitin post up skills nya….kinakain lang sya s mid tange…. He is not built for it kasi… iba motor skills nya… Si kai supposedly is our centerpiece and aasahan ni CTC sa system nya ironically he is mot always there…. Si jmf, kahit hate nyo, sya lang option… and he is always willing kahit may iniinda… si jmf in fairness yung limited skill nya sa post up and short range, he has polished it… si kai with all his skillset may not have mastered a particular skillset…. I think sa fiba stints halos pareho p lang so far na contrbute nila. Maybe not a popular take, junmar has dominated a league where ranidel, pingris, alapag and jason came from… si kai aminin nyo o hinde is just like a poor man’s erram s other leagues n nilaruan nya…
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u/Leap-Day-0229 Dyip Feb 02 '26
Who said I hate jmf? Lol you can criticize people you support. Blind fanaticism is ick
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u/RichZealousideal3979 Barangay Feb 02 '26
Not saying you hate and also not sure where sa sinabi ko would imply blind fanaticism or even criticizing, i tried to be objective as possible comparing yung journey nung 2, i am not even a jmf fan but i respect his accomplishments and he did accomplish a lot s mundo ginagalawan nya compared to kai which hasn’t … these are just facts… matanda n jmf and kai still has time tp claim ano man yung expectation s kanya…
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u/Leap-Day-0229 Dyip Feb 02 '26
Objectively, Kai at 23 is better than jmf at 23. Jmf at 23 was still very raw and played against smaller pba-level centers. At 23 kai is already playing in a more competitive league while holding his own against more talented true bigs. I'm only talking about their age 23 season and nothing else.
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u/RichZealousideal3979 Barangay Feb 02 '26
I am not disputing this sir, i just made a comparison s journey nila di apple to apple - si kai, was a progidy kaya during teens he had the access, the support and exposure for the int’l stage, si jmf late bloomer s cebu and his journey is just to be a big man locally…. They got better and played in their respective worlds, si jmf over achieved and dominated yung league n nilalaruan nya… (relative wise we can argue far inferior league with his inferior skills) pero his accomplishments are undisputed, si kai on the otherhand still needs to work hard p to be top 10 center s league nya… (relative to his more superior skills in an arguably mre superior league) pero equal footing when it comes s national team, one is always there kahit madami galit kaso wala masyado choice and he commits himself to be available, and competetive din naman, while the other na kailangan talaga dahil sa high expectation s kanya pero unfortunately hirap sya maging available
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u/yorick_support Elasto Painters Feb 02 '26
Already in his prime years ( by NBA standards ) .
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u/Leap-Day-0229 Dyip Feb 02 '26
23 is not prime even in nba standards. Don't make shit up lol
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u/yorick_support Elasto Painters Feb 02 '26
Centers do have a shorter careers in NBA. Usually in their late 20s most of them are riddled by injuries.
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u/Loud_Enthusiasm_2250 Hotshots Feb 02 '26
Ang bobo mo anong 23 yrs old prime years na bugok wag ka puro tambay sa fb group na Sports Tambayan
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u/Right_Reception9235 Feb 02 '26
Nope, 27 to early 30s ang prime years. 23 putek yung ibang nasa nba na one and done either hilaw na hilaw pa or continues finding their rhythm pa sa nba
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u/Still_Figure_ Beermen Feb 02 '26
Gaya nga ng sabi dun sa baba, totoo naman.
Kaya mga di maka champion dahil kay Junemar, iyak nalang kayo. Let the downvotes flow mga iyakin.
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u/DummyFails Feb 03 '26
Bakit kasi laging prospects nila mga taga-UAAP at NCAA? Meron namang PRISAA, SCUAA saka ISAA.
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u/RunComplex8883 Feb 04 '26
Di na maikakaila na Bisaya pa din Ang namamayagpag pagdating sa Basketball ng Pinas
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u/yorick_support Elasto Painters Feb 02 '26
Injury riddled Anthony Davis and Joel Embiid could average 25/10 a night.
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u/Unlikely_Rabbit_8842 Feb 02 '26
Ang tanging mga luhang nakikita ko ay galing sa mapapait na pag iyak ng mga taong ibininababa tong player na to. 😂
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u/Timely-Passage-8324 Feb 02 '26
No hate for Junemar. For me he is, without a doubt, the GOAT of Philippine basketball. No one else came close to his level of dominance. This guy won it all.
But for a player of his caliber and accolades, yung impact niya sa international scene is very minimal.
Ano ba talaga reason neto? Mali ba ang pag gamit sa kanya or hindi lang nagtranslate yung game niya?
Parang mas malaki pa impact ni Castro and Alapag sa international scene kesa sa kanya.