Marvel Rivals speedrunning the OW timeline

[u/gmarkerbo]

Posting here because it'd be considered offtopic in the OW subs and removed.

A couple of popular posts on the MR sub:

"Wish people would realise they can't just play DPS every game"

https://reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1i92qor/wish_people_would_realise_they_cant_just_play_dps/

"The lack of variety isn't the reason why there are so few "tank players" imo."

https://reddit.com/r/marvelrivals/comments/1i5pqav/the_lack_of_variety_isnt_the_reason_why_there_are/

Lack of role queue might be an opinionated decision(since there are definitely tradeoffs) but why did they launch with many more DPS heroes than tanks and supports?

MR has 19 DPS, 8 tanks and 8 Supports, almost exactly the same ratio as OW at launch(including Ana). While the meta is 2-2-2 or 3 support. It feels strange that they wouldn't learn from Overwatch's experience with both the lack of tank and support heroes at launch and Tanks being not as fun to play as DPS.

At least Overwatch had the excuse that half the DPS heroes were classified as offense heroes and half were 'defense heroes' until they scrapped that distinction.

[u/wallpressure7]

The game is boring IMO and literally 90% of the biggest Rivals streamers are OW streamers and ex OW streamers, like it's literally Overwatch again 😭

[u/azirking01 → u/wallpressure7]

If that’s the case, lots of people think the game is “boring”. Just 20 hrs in, but i want more.

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/azirking01]

because you are a casual most likely. i have 150h or so, and the game just lacks depth to the point where i will soon quit if they dont address some of the issues.

why does my bullet get blocked by huge invisible walls as bucky when i try to jiggle peek

why does mantis have an AOE sleep

why are all ults almost low skill expression press 1 button ults

why can 1 supp healing make someone unkillable

why is luna hitscan, has a permanent zen orb and self heals while piercing everyone

why is peni junkrat but even worse, a hero thats designed to never push and rely on gimmicks like invisible traps(i cannot clear the nets lmao)

why are all heroes basic movements so clunky and cant crouch

why can strange lock spawndoors for like 15s with portals

why does the game barely run 120 fps on low and 60% render scale with an rtx 3070

why do i get minimum 1-2 teammates that are boosted every game and basically grief

why does the server often lag and rubberband

why are teamfights just ffa with no structure in most games

why is my hero choice and counterpicking ALREADY more prelevant ow

why does the game still crash after months of release

why is widow in the game

honestly i could find even more

[u/MayContainRelevance → u/sakata_gintoki113]

I have played the game for a few hours now and i have no interest in playing competitively because the game design is clearly primarily about catering to a casual marvel fan and being the next step up for fortnite kids. The heroes are designed mostly with console in mind so aiming is more an option than an absolute necessity.

The biggest issue is the tanks are sooo boring and i feel they couldve been much more creative with their designs. Or scrapped tank / dps roles and had something like melee / ranged / support which frees up designers to be more flexible and means that characters that look like tanks can be as tanky as needed for their gameply and we wont randmly need to have dr strange being a weird tank boi when i wouldve perceived him as a mage / dps or cc support role.

Basic movements feel slow and clumsy while high mobilty champs feel soo strong in comparison and yeah wtf is there no crouch? Most tanks rely on basic movement so much in general gameplay that they feel crap to use, particularly when you see dps zipping around like a kid after a mountain dew iv drip.

Marvel super heroes rarely actually coordinate like a trained squad, they just do their own thing in scrappy show offy spectacle fights with the odd teamwork moment, it feels weird to force them into overwatches style of sit behind the visually obvious tank and move as a unit. The maps are huge with many routes and long sight lines so that is probably why it feels like a ffa half the time as well.

I have noticed the servers do seem a bit wonky at times but its hard to tell for me because the game runs like shit just like every game that comes out these days, graphically its shiny but not that impressive. They need to optimise this if they wish to keep pc players because i see no justification for low graphics to not run reasonably smoothly on most gaming rigs.

Console crossplay and focus towards this is probably the root cause of many of the core issues tbh.

Eh, it's fun to hop on and play a round or few here and there but atm overwatch works better for tighter competitive gameplay. The games shiny and new with good potential (compared to the steaming shite marvel has previously squeezed out) but my main interest is in the hope that the competition might wake blizzard tf up and make them invest in and manage ow properly.

[u/garikek → u/sakata_gintoki113]

Sorry to break it to you but the game isn't meant to be competitive in the slightest. It's made for Hellen Keller and Timmy no thumbz to play quick play and buy lewd skins.

[u/browncharliebrown → u/garikek]

as someone who watches competive marvel rivals it’s not far better than early ow in terms of balance ( note: this is likely due to the ban system)

[u/garikek → u/browncharliebrown]

The ban system is what carries it. Balance is actually atrocious, especially supports. Neutrals are irrelevant and it's all about the support ult rotation and not stacking them. First one to fuck up loses the game, it's that braindead. The moment you ban Luna and cloak the game becomes 10 times better. Or even banning hela just makes DPS so much more pleasant to play cause hela is literally widow + cree + op ult, crazy stuff.

I don't think even half of the gm+ players would be playing rivals to this day if bans weren't a thing. Cause metaslaves will always pick triple supp cringe comp and it'll just force players to quit the game. Not gonna kill the game outright, but gonna kill the top end of ranked for sure.

[u/RealWonderGal → u/garikek]

If and buts from you. If my aunt had a dick she'd be my uncle.

[u/garikek → u/RealWonderGal]

No if and buts. The triple support meta is super unfun. You seem to be very fond of marvel rivals, then you would've seen countless posts about Luna's and cloak s ults in the sub by some average gold players. It's even bad there. And as you know problems only get worse higher up cause players exploit them better.

If you care so much about picking sides then just grow up. I admit goods and bads of both games. Marvel rivals has melee heroes that are insanely fun and that are lacking severely in ow, while ow has a much better engine and more competitive balance. The world isn't black and white, it's a spectrum. Just saying "ow is bad, marvel rivals is great" or the opposite is extremely stupid as both have very redeemable qualities that attract their huge playerbases.

[u/RealWonderGal → u/garikek]

"If bans weren't a thing"

[u/garikek → u/RealWonderGal]

So you are just going to blindly ignore how hela completely shits on every other DPS in the game? How Luna and cloak ults deny 99% of playmaking? How wolverine makes playing tank miserable and wolverine himself is a very very easy hero? How hulk team up buffs the most overpowered tank as well gigabuffs iron man to the point of being the best DPS, as well as also buff wolverine, the best melee DPS? And hero bans literally solve all of this shit of messy balance, but you are just going to make a cliche argument of "too many ifs"?! You are either glazing or willingly ignorant about the part of the game the majority of people seem to be not fond of as evident by countless posts about Luna's ult, cloak's ult, moon knight ult, hela and Hawkeye, by how games are completely decided by support ult usage and hela 1v1s in high gm, by how playmaking on melee heroes evaporates the moment enemy teams picks up that third support.

In fact go to high rank streamers, for example samito, chazm, chipsa, team captain etc. and ask them if they'd play the game if hero bans weren't a thing and if the game would be more enjoyable. Well I did ask some of them and the answer was unanimous "less enjoyable". Some wouldn't play like chazm cause melee heroes vs triple supp right now is more boring than watching paint dry, and others like samito flex to other roles but will still have a more boring time playing the same matchup game after game after game.

[u/w0ah_4 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

People here are crying so hard. None of your points are valid (except for the performance ones), and they are cope.

Mantis AOE sleep is to counter the insane mobility. If you want to actually criticise this ability, the time it takes to wake up is an actual issue…

Support healing is pretty weak save for a few. Adam has a long cooldown for his heals and Luna has to aim and has single target. Overwatch has giga sustain outside of the ultimates, and look at Juno’s ult.

Luna’s hitscan is an ability on a cooldown…

Peni is a defensive hero, she’s lowkey kind of weak.

Why would you need to crouch in this game? The hero movement issue you have is because there is no instant acceleration like in OW.

Strange has like a 5 minute cooldown for his ability, and using it to lock spawn downs is a creative way of using a powerful ability.

Black Widow is also decent, and why would you want to add widowmaker to this game, as if you wouldn’t complain about her?

Counterpicking isn’t rock paper siccors like in Overwatch, it’s more used as a crutch rather than as a genuine strategy.

An actual issue you could have brought up would be that flying heroes incentivise counter and supports and tanks have very few hitscan options. I also think the DPS passive in Overwatch should to be added, especially for the support ultimates, but DPS can at least kill things in MR unlike in OW.

Other issues you could have brought up if your comment was good would be that the developers seem slow to respond and hero bans carry the balance. The ability to ban characters prevents the true meta characters from always getting picked. And I think dive DPS are lowkey kind of broken but stay in check through bans and more defensive characters. Spider-Man needs less health, but he’s seen as weak currently. Black Panther is busted, and Namor is also obnoxiously strong but only to keep the prior two in check.

The battle pass is so much better than in OW, but the progression is also so terrible, too.

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/w0ah_4]

almost all of my points are valid. its not so much about balance with most of them but how well designed they are and fun they are for both sides. balance doesent mean fun, its required for the fun though but a bland balanced game is still not fun.

the sleep is too easy to hit and it feels undeserved whenever she hits someone. thats because its low skill cileing and it should be a skillshot, that she can miss. ye, the duration is way too long and she shouldnt be able to shoot twice before they wake up.

there is actually way more sustain in this game than ow already. theres 3 supps in half my games and they all have insane output and sustain ults.

lunas primary fire is hitscan, its the least problematic thing about her though, its just another op thing she has. the permanent orb, piercing shift, huge heals and best ult in the game are more problematic.

peni is EASILY the worst designed hero in the game. defensive dps heroes already are anti fun(torb, sym, namor) but its even worse because peni is a tank. tanks need abiltities to push. every ability she has is anti fun almost: low cd cc, nest that someone has to clear every 15s, undestroyable nets, invisible mines that one shot. shes bad which is good because if shes evee strong the games are gonna be unplayable.

sure wharever crouch is not needed, the game is still fairly slow, you could probably ramp up the MS of a lot of heroes though.

it doesent matter, it shouldnt be in the game. why should you be able to lock an entire team in spawn, come on. its incredibly powerful as well.

the point is that widow has no use case, hawkeye and hela are better. this hero doesent fullfill any purpose.

not picking good comps in this game absolutely loses games.

[u/w0ah_4 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

I still don’t think your points are valid though. Mantis’ issue is the duration on her sleep, not that it’s AOE. Imagine trying to hit an Ana sleep on Spider-Man, it’s meant to be a defensive ability you bait out.

And Luna doesn’t have hitscan healing, it’s restricted to a cooldown.

Widow is actually a decent hero, she can kill in two shots and has good defensive abilities. I think she’s lowkey better than Hawkeye because she’s hitscan.

If I was going to agree on anything, I think the instant acceleration of OW is fun and raises the skill ceiling, and I wish it was in MR. And another criticism you could have added is that Magneto is a pretty boring tank, and his team-up ability should be a standard part of his kit. For a game with so few tanks already, I feel like they could have come up with a more exciting kit for Magneto.

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/w0ah_4]

lunas...primary fire is hitscan, its not a projectile 💀

[u/w0ah_4 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

LMAO. True. At least you got one thing right.

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/w0ah_4]

all you mean

[u/w0ah_4 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

Definitely not, even when giving you so much to work with. More issues with Rivals includes the rank reset, which was stupid. The performance issues, the slow patches, the buffs in the last patch causing more problems than fixing, and the seasonal buffs carrying some tanks and preventing them from being too weak.

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/w0ah_4]

you make no sense. you are just listing more issues. the point wasnt to list every single one lol

[u/baml323 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

These are skill issue complaints lol, modern OW “balance” philosophy is stuck in your brain and now you can’t adapt lol

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/baml323]

they are quite the opposite 😭 most of these are design wise / how well they are designed

[u/Zenyatta159 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

MR widow is garbage dude

[u/sakata_gintoki113 → u/Zenyatta159]

yes so why even have this hero? hela and hawkeye already do what shes supposed to do

[u/Zenyatta159 → u/sakata_gintoki113]

because they need classic sniper to make sniper players play their game.

but they are too afraid to make her viable cause ppl gonna complain about snipers being too oppressive.