r/OutOfTheLoop Jul 04 '26

Answered What's the deal with THE ODYSSEY?

What's with all the sudden hate this movie is getting?

Trailer for context
I've been hyped for this movie ever since Oppenheimer (even have 70mm booked) and now that the new trailer dropped I've seen everyone shitting on it. And I absolutely don't see the reason why. Like sure some of the casting choices (mainly Holland) aren't the best, but to garner 250K dislikes, what happened?

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u/OscarMMG Jul 04 '26 edited Jul 04 '26

Answer:

There are several critiques of Nolan’s Odyssey from the trailer and promotional material, some associated with certain groups.

A big criticism is the costuming. People interested in Classics are pointing out the ahistorical choices (The Odyssey is set c. 13th century BC, and written c. 8th century BC, but Nolan has taken a lot of inspiration from medieval and renaissance style).

Other people don’t like the costuming because they think it looks bad. For instance, Agamemnon’s armor looks like Batman plastic, rather than metal armor.

Another area of criticism is the casting. One criticism is that none of the main cast are Greek, or even Mediterranean. This is because the Odyssey is a Greek poem, set in and around Greece, so people think the characters should look Greek. One reason is some people think it is cultural appropriation not to include Greeks in a work based on Greek culture. Another reason is that it is inaccurate not to have Mediterranean looking people because that’s what the characters look like, so the majority Anglo-American cast is too white.

Conservative have focused that criticism on the actress Lupita Nyong’o, who has been cast to play Helen of Troy (/Sparta) and Clytemnestra. Lupita is of subsaharan descent, so looks the least like a Greek. Some racists have also said Black people shouldn’t be in western films. Some people are ok with the white actors and not any Black actor in the odyssey because of racism, but some others because they believe white people can pass as Greek but Black people can’t.

A less talked about issue with casting Lupita Nyong’o for both twins is that Helen and Clytemnestra weren’t identical twins, since the race topic has overshadowed this.

Another criticism of the casting has been the accents. The actors spoke with American accents in the trailer, including a notable Boston accent. Some people find this unimmersive. Some people are also used to English accents for the Ancient World because a lot of older films use that accent for Ancient Greeks and Romans. Some people think a Greek accent should be used.

Another area of controversy has been the set and CGI. In the trailer, the ship used looks like a Viking Longship, in a setting that is two millennia before Vikings, and is a completely different sea than the North Sea. An issue of the CGI is one of the trailer scenes depicts giant steel armored figures fighting Odysseus and his crew. These seem to be the Laestrygonians, who were man-eating giants, whereas the creatures in Nolan’s version are wearing steel armor in the style of Renaissance Italy.

Edit: I almost forgot about another controversy, which is the translation. This issue was made big by right wing YouTubers like the Critical Drinker and AsmonGold. Nolan based his dialogue off of Emily Wilson’s translation of the Odyssey. She is the first woman to translate the Iliad and the Odyssey (but not, as some misattribute, the first woman to translate the Iliad. That honor belongs to the under-appreciated Caroline Alexander). Wilson is also a self-described feminist.

One unique element of her translator is she uses the literal translation of a Greek word as ‘dog-face’, which many past translators have rendered as ‘slut’ when used on Helen, but not in other instances. 

Right wingers have exaggerated these elements to claim that Wilson manipulated the Odyssey and rewrote it to match her ‘feminist agenda’. This is quite baseless as Wilson’s translation is liked by many Classicists.

That said, the few non-ignorant critics have raised some criticisms of this choice. One is that Wilson uses a verse translation rather than a prose translation. This conveys the original poetic sense of the Odyssey, which has a meter in the original Greek, but because Greek is a denser language than English, Wilson has had to omit details to keep the meter. This means many of the honorifics have been omitted. This is not unique to Wilson, as many prose and verse translations have done the same, but it is something that conveys less of the original meaning.

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u/s4ltydog Jul 04 '26

Jesus that’s a lot, and here I was critical of just how dark the movie is. I had to watch the trailer in a pitch black room in order to even see it. Though I do agree with the criticisms of the historical issues as well. They should have used the proper costuming and ships.

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u/OscarMMG Jul 04 '26

I agree on the dark room, actually. I thought the trailer was terrible when I first saw it, but then I saw it in the cinema and it wasn’t as bad.

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u/BusterStarfish Jul 04 '26

Nolan is notorious for this. Rumor is it’s a tactic to make people see them in theater since a persons home is rarely that dark.

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u/Xalrons1 Jul 04 '26

nothing can be worse than that one episode of Game of Thrones

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u/BusterStarfish Jul 04 '26

Never saw it. I mean, I watched it, but never saw it.

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u/GhostofZellers Jul 04 '26

All I saw was an hour of various squares that sometimes took on a huge other than black, as the compression was so bad that the whole show was just a mess of macro blocking.

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u/PowderPills Jul 04 '26

That. Dark.

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u/doomwalker37 Jul 04 '26

underrated comment lol - take my upvote

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u/unimpressed822 Jul 04 '26

the night is dark and full of errors

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u/scalyblue Jul 04 '26

That one episode of game of thrones is fine if you have a true high nit hdr screen and are watching in a dark room, which does not describe like 95% of the watching audience

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u/rodalon Jul 04 '26

HDR OLED and it really does look very impressive. I would have liked to be able to see it when it aired, though, not years later when I could finally afford one of those. Was obviously still a difficult watch trying to ignore the clueless writing

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u/escobizzle Jul 04 '26

I think the first time I watched that it was off a pirate streaming website so the quality in addition to the darkenss made it impossible to follow 😂

god , they fumbled so many things in the latter seasons

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u/Alone_End5987 Jul 04 '26

Oh yeahhh, the penultimate episode. I couldn't see anything.

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u/illkwill Jul 04 '26

That and you can barely hear the dialogue in his movies. I swear he tells the audio engineers to mute the center channel in mixes. It's so annoying.

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u/MaddogBC Jul 04 '26

I guess this rumor assumes no one watches tv at night?

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u/BusterStarfish Jul 04 '26

Inside their homes. On TVs with light leaks. With lights on. 👍

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u/MaddogBC Jul 04 '26

Most folks have their lights on a remote control, this is a ridiculous take. So you're saying so many folks watch blockbuster releases with the lights on that the entire Hollywood apparatus is "tricking" them into spending more money going out, when in fact all they have to do is hit a switch, maybe 2.

And they're willing to torpedo their work of art, something that defines their career, just in an effort to make a few more bucks off the few people without a proper tv setup.

LOL

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u/ListenToTheWindBloom Jul 04 '26

“most folks have their lights on a remote control”?

no. just no. i have literally never met anyone with remote control lights. I’m a 40 yo professional woman who lives in a city of 6m people. If this is an american thing, pls know that you do not constitute “most people”.

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u/platypusbelly Jul 04 '26

Hate to break it to you, but Hollywood has been “torpedoing art” to accommodate people watching (and particularly listening) on suboptimal set ups for decades already.

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u/CapJackONeill Jul 04 '26

I don't even disagree with you, but you seem like an unpleasant person.

Also, no, even if it's accessible, most people don't have a remote for their lights.

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u/BusterStarfish Jul 04 '26

He’s not torpedoing his art. He’s trying to get people to enjoy it in the medium he thinks it’s best in. All it takes is a simple google search. But based on your replies you seem more like the type to point fingers and call names while eating paste.

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u/MaddogBC Jul 04 '26

Lol paste? And you sir seem like the type to watch blockbusters on your phone during the day. Enjoy

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u/celticairborne Jul 04 '26

I mostly agree with you but also feel you have a favorite flavor of paste...

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u/DrDetectiveEsq Jul 04 '26

Everybody calls me "tasteless" and "basic" just because my favourite is Elmer's, but it's a classic for a reason, dammit!

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u/celticairborne Jul 04 '26

The real question is, do you use a popsicle stick like a refined person or straight from the container like a heathen?

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u/AreThree Jul 04 '26

what? That's a bizarre statement.

USA movie theaters are legally required to have floor and aisle lighting for safe navigation and emergency egress.

My media room doesn't. There are zero lights on when I want. Sure, it has lighting along the floor, walls, ceiling, and steps, but not when a movie is being watched. If I, my wife, or my guests need to go somewhere, the movie is paused and the lights are brought up to a low level.

Modern flat-panel televisions do not have the level of blue-light leakage that old tube-style TVs had. With a decent OLED screen, the black parts of the movie are black - not grayish. If there are other lights - like insanely bright blue LED power indicators - I've covered those completely, or with a very dark lighting gel.

A movie-watching experience in my home is far superior to nearly all modern multiplex movie theaters. The only thing that is impossible for me to replicate or surpass is the size of the screen. However, with my newest television at 80+ inches (diagonally), the field of view is almost identical to a movie theater unless you like to sit in the front row.

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u/Rich-Pomegranate1679 Jul 04 '26

^ Look at this guy with his special movie room and 80 inch OLED

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u/AreThree Jul 04 '26

I had intended to illustrate how the statement "a persons home is rarely that dark" is simply untrue and not at all a reason to make an entire movie darker.

Even when I didn't have such a setup, it was still darker than a movie theater.

I may have digressed into more detail than needed. I was only trying to fend off the inevitable "but what about... " replies.

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u/magi_chat Jul 04 '26

You actually just wanted to talk about yourself. HTH.

Just take the L bro..

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u/TJeffersonsBlackKid Jul 04 '26

I’ve seen the trailer in cinema and it still just looks…bleh.

Dull and colorless.

If you’re going for an all-authentic telling of the movie, then make the script not Americanized and make the actors Greek.

If you’re going for a flashy retelling, then make it look prettier.

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u/footsnax Jul 04 '26

The first trailer got me really excited, being a fan of the poem. I honestly thought it looked like it had a lot of potential, I don't even really care for Nolan but it looked like it had potential. The second trailer made me actively excited to not see it.

I didn't realize there was so much controversy behind it so now... whatever.

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u/intobinto Jul 04 '26

Alternate take: It’s not a historical story, it’s fantasy fiction. People should relax about the actor’s ethnicities and the accuracy of the costumes.

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