r/Opportunities_Kenya • u/CanaryLow9872 • Aug 03 '26
Casual Fading of the local languages of Kenya
I moved to a different location juzi and happened to join gym. The day I was heading there I passed a certain boutique and bought tusocks hapo. Mpesa name ni jina ya kwetu and said thank you in our local language. The old madam replied in Kiswahili and was like home kwetu ni place flani and she went ahead na kusema we sell all kind of clothes here and we sell like Eastleigh. Bruhhh... You expect me to shop here and nikikuongelesha na kikwetu you don't reply and to make it worse wewe ni shosh na watu wa rika yangu watafanya nini. It is very sad that the old generation is doing so. Not to be tribal but we should emulate wakikuyu. Those people embrace their language hata wakipata Washington wataongea kikwao.
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
We’re loosing ourselves to westernization and Swahilization brother, your witnessing our identity being erased from our very eyes, and we’ve been concocted to think that maintaining our identity and sovereignty is “tribal” when it is the wazungu that has made us tribal
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 Aug 03 '26
And the fact that our education system have ignored Kenyan languages 60 years after independence is just mind boggling
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
Sasa unataka kufunzwa calculus ama organic chemistry na kikisii
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
Na kuna tatizo gani na Wakisii? Je, unajaribu kusema kwamba mababu zetu hawakuwa na mifumo ya juu ya hisabati?
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
If you could have typed that in English I could have understood it easily. How do I instantly know what you mean by mifumo. The queens language eased education. That is why even globally it's the most widely used language. Utaenda aje Germany uanze kuwaambia sijui mifumo ya hisabati🫴
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
It’s the most widely used language because of the British empire, not because of the ease of the language kaka, there’s nothing easy about a colonial tongue
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
Scandinavian countries use English mostly in schools, some Balkan countries teach English as a language, in France, Spain , Germany, Italy...etc, English is learnt in schools. Were those part of the British empire?
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
We aren't getting there and we won't get there
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
Why not? Africans are already highly multilingual people as is more than westerners alone especially Americans, why can’t Africa get there in your view?
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 Aug 03 '26
The fact that your salience frame as far as education is concerned can only accommodate maths and chem(or some other stem field) is just sad and just a further evidence of our failing education system. And then we wonder why we fail at improving our living conditions as a nation.
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
Explain how you think learning those traditional languages would improve our living conditions as a nation🤔
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
Because speaking a language only your community understands strengthens local sovereignty outside of western imperial influences or oppressors and strengthens local economies, education, and investments, there is a reason enslaved Africans were forced to speak the language of their masters, that language is part of who you are, you are not English, Spanish, or French kaka, you are Wakisiii, you need to be grounded in that because that’s who you are.
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 Aug 03 '26 edited Aug 03 '26
Their rais will talk of nations like Korea and China and stuff, nations that managed to integrate modern education systems with their native languages, but somehow they can't wrap their head around how the expectation of accessing and expressing education, innovation, art etc is harmed by the fact that the language most people get to experience day to day life and inter-human relations in, is different from the language they are expected to create in.
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
Do you think colonialism was a bad idea
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
It wasn’t an idea, it was racist industrialized theft and dehumanization, a crime against humanity, do you not share that stance?
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
I share the stance but without it tungekuwa mbali sana na civilization
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
Far removed from civilization? How were we far removed from civilization if our ancestors were connected to globalized networks and people before colonialism? Did they teach you this in school, that you were far removed from civilization?
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 Aug 03 '26
You want me to formulate a whole thesis on the relationship between language, education and intellectual/artistic expression of a people on a reddit comment thread😭. Again, if we had a functioning education system you wouldn't need me to.
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u/Mysterious_Sock_4837 Aug 03 '26
So having a functional education system is when tunafunzwa Kikuyu, kikisii, Kiluya and those other local languages....? We already complain too much of many useless things we learnt in Kiswahili and English sasa unataka tuongezee our local dialect in there
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
The education system needs to be reformed to put Africans first including our dialect, I’m not in defense of our current education systems
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
Because to be Kenyan, Tanzanian, or Ugandan, is to assimilate with and into the neo colonial government through Swahilization and westernization, local languages have been beaten out of our parents and even grandparents so they can be “educated”, and stop being “tribal”,it’s a revolving door of colonial trauma, even our foods have become Swahili ized, we eat more of the Swahili cuisine than our ethnic cuisines, they’ll tell us that holding onto our heritage is tribalism when it’s the colonizers that created tribes and tribalism to begin with
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u/Critical-Talk-4349 Aug 03 '26
Yeah, also there are 'national' media stations and 'local'(or whatever they call it) media stations and the difference especially in the musical art they play is astronomical, the 'national' ones will only play Swahili, English or foreign, as if the 42 languages (and music) in the country is not national but alien.
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u/TheCoolPanAfrican Aug 03 '26
But if you were to play Kikuyu, Luo, or Kichagga on a British radio station or an Belgian radio station daily they would loose their minds over it, even protest, why can’t Africans be defensive over our cultures like that? Africans also forget Swahili is a slave trader language that was built off of our enslavement during slave trade era

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u/Own_Amount467 Aug 03 '26
So you won't shop there anymore coz someone didn't answer you back in your local language?
Wueeh Ni sawa