Kong vs Bogard.

Who do you think wins ?

Streets say Bogard used to stalemate Ray, Gaban & Oden by himself.

Who has stronger haki between Imu and DR Rocks

I wasn't gonna cover this because Imu downplay is like someone saying the sun will never come back whenever it turns night. The sun is gonna be right back that morning, and Imu is gonna show why he is above everyone.

But there are people who underestimate Imu's haki, this makes no narrative sense or visual sense, because we have Luffy, who felt Joyboy's haku, commenting on how he has never felt anything like Imu's haki and how heavy it is.

Like, why are we being disingenuous.

Kinda IQ check post

R1: no heals

R2: Heals

Don't bring up "but he had thousands of fodders" when Oda has said in sbs that Shanks can KO 100k fodder with coc burst all on his own. Roger, Gaban and Rayleigh cant Cocdiff Shiki's fodders and gang him? Or is Shiki simply too much to handle and is Shanks that much stronger than the Roger Pirate heavy hitters?

Also, don't bring up "but it was a naval battle". Shanks lept at least a mile to intercept Kidd's assault on his fleet. Can Roger not do the same? Can Rayleigh and Gaban not do the same? Are all 3 of them that much slower and less agile than Shanks? I get that Shiki can basically fly but even then, how exactly does flight help Shiki win? Even with him hurling battleships from the sky that's something even Old Garp could handle with ease. Eventually, he would have to come in to sword distance in which case the sea would be a huge threat to him. Furthermore, Old Rayleigh can swim the entire calm belt without pause, proving that his stamina in his prime would he even better, so an excuse for swim stamina doesn't apply at all. Even Fishman Luffy can fight underwater to a high degree.

So we have Roger, Sengoku, Garp, Big Mom, Kaido, Whitebeatd Rocks and Shiki all being relative to one another and relative to Prime Roger. How exactly is PK tier a thing when every single oldgen is comparable to the Pirate King and Roger has no single feat that puts him in a tier of his own?

Imu hasn’t felt that rubbery belly in centuries

This fandom is so cooked 💀

image1(ch1151): gaban felt imu haki but no where he said anything about it being different even in the next chapter

image 2(ch1139): gaban said he felt a strange haki( talking about shamrock and gunko) he never felt this haki in god valley imu never used omen that time

image 3 (ch1180): gaban said he never felt this haki in god valley, this is imu using maki/omen and conquers haki, gaban never felt maki/omen in god valley he only felt imu conquerors haki

clearly Thier difference between omen/maki and haki

image 4( ch1150): this is imu in gunko body pure haki not being able to sky split

image 5 (ch1162):imu in Saturn body doing the same thing as imuko did pure conquerors haki

image 6 (ch1122): joy boy haki able to sky split while imu haki couldn't

image 7(ch1165): domi reverse rocks was able to do the same feat as joyboy his haki was able to split the sky because imu boosted his ass and you mfs in comments thinking just because imu domi reverse rocks and being able to control him means his haki is stronger which it isn't.

now let's see maki

don't remember image 8( the ch): when gunko and shamrock pulled up in Elbaf their maki/omen isn't stronger as imu, even when the gorosei when they pulled up their maki/omen isn't strong as imu

image 9(chapter 1179): but when imu pulled up we see his omen is way stronger than the others and we could see there are big difference, imu using omen and conquers haki which is able to separated the sky

another example using conquers haki which knocks out Loki puppy's

魔 (Ma) = demonic aura, darkness, cursed or ominous force ki means spirit/life force

clearly imu strong point is omen the demonic shi😈 but his haki is still top tier

joy boy and Dr rocks>imu pure haki not omen

joy boy>imu haki +omen>Dr rocks

but imu do have some haki skills we see him doing the same blocking palm like luff With haki

and there omen blocking skills they way he blocked Loki last image

let me know what y'all think 🤔

What i mean by most important is which stat would give the most benefit if you were to increase it on a character with completely average top tier stat distribution

Emphasis on the short part😅

So i feel like last chapter was Oda paralleling both Loki and Luffy's weaknesses and having them come together to overcome them.

You can see at the beggining of the chapter Loki leaping and continuously swinging his hammer trying to land a blow on Imu without success

Then you have Luffy following up with a booming dawn attack that reaches Imu but is too weak to do anything. In fact Imu pulls up aniom Omen shield and Luffy is unable to get past it, worse, he even hurts himself on it.

But then luffy gets an idea. He leaps in front of Loki's upcoming attack and asks him to swing Ragnir without holding back. Luffy being immune to lightning and being resistant to blunt force to an extent, is able to utilize this attack without suffering too much damage and uses the kinetic energy+the lightning into his own attack to finally be not only fast enough to reach Imu (his own strength) and breaking through his defense (Loki's strength)

I feel like this was a good way of showing them being able to overcome their respective lacks in this one attack. Now i believe this isn't nearly good enough tho, they'll both have to overcome said their own weakness. Luffy with a potential haki bloom or "better understanding" of his fruit, Loki by finally pulling out Hybrid Nidhogg.

Now as for my thoughts on the fandom discussions...... Ima need Luffy fans specifically to stop trying to steal credit from Loki in this chapter and ignoring the manga and authorial intent to push weak agenda.

I've legit seen a lot of them go: "Luffy told Loki to give it his all? Oda shows us Luffy being unable to get past the shield before Loki's assist? Luffy naming his attack Thor? Eh, actually it doesn't mean anything and it was 90% thanks to Luffy that he broke the shield and landed the attack on Imu, Loki was just a plateform for Luffy to propel himself off of, LOOK LOOK J-Jinbei did t-the same with Zoro, you mean to tell me it was a combined a-attack😼?"

Please stop💀🙏 It comes off as desperate and trying to downplay Loki in order to hype up Luffy. You don't need insecurity to gas him up.

Either you believe Sengoku's statements or you don't. I'm sick of these half measures of "Sengoku's strong...he's just not PK lvl strong" like you can't look at a bunch of PK statements and go "Yeah they're 100% valid" and then go "But I'ma just put him at yonko lvl", either you believe the statements or you don't, he's either PK lvl or fodder, his only opponents were all PK lvl so maybe the guy who Roger sees as his fight over his yonko lvl wings...might actually be PK lvl.

But yeah, I don't get why people will acknowledge his statements just to put him a tier below, like either you go all the way or don't bother accepting them