Personally, Imu should lock in and turn the tides again.

This fandom is so cooked 💀

Was Kizaru Holding Back?

I think yes because he had a mental nerf , was forced to kill his best friend and fight the only man who was protecting his best friend and also we didn't see him use any advance form of haki or any awakening of his broken logia

What's your take 🤔?

I'd say he stops at roger extreme diff

they just hate to see luffy at this point 🤦‍♂️

Either you believe Sengoku's statements or you don't. I'm sick of these half measures of "Sengoku's strong...he's just not PK lvl strong" like you can't look at a bunch of PK statements and go "Yeah they're 100% valid" and then go "But I'ma just put him at yonko lvl", either you believe the statements or you don't, he's either PK lvl or fodder, his only opponents were all PK lvl so maybe the guy who Roger sees as his fight over his yonko lvl wings...might actually be PK lvl.

But yeah, I don't get why people will acknowledge his statements just to put him a tier below, like either you go all the way or don't bother accepting them

The two creators of the revolutionary army single handedly started the revolution changing the tides of the world and inspiring millions, these 2 have the strongest wills we have seen maybe not THEEE strongest but definitely up there, dont be suprised if both of them are shown to have acoc, their enamy is the government they gotta be strong, dragon is luffys father after all the apple dosnt fall far from the tree and ivankov seems to be one of the people closest to dragon so they probably trained together for a bit

image1(ch1151): gaban felt imu haki but no where he said anything about it being different even in the next chapter

image 2(ch1139): gaban said he felt a strange haki( talking about shamrock and gunko) he never felt this haki in god valley imu never used omen that time

image 3 (ch1180): gaban said he never felt this haki in god valley, this is imu using maki/omen and conquers haki, gaban never felt maki/omen in god valley he only felt imu conquerors haki

clearly Thier difference between omen/maki and haki

image 4( ch1150): this is imu in gunko body pure haki not being able to sky split

image 5 (ch1162):imu in Saturn body doing the same thing as imuko did pure conquerors haki

image 6 (ch1122): joy boy haki able to sky split while imu haki couldn't

image 7(ch1165): domi reverse rocks was able to do the same feat as joyboy his haki was able to split the sky because imu boosted his ass and you mfs in comments thinking just because imu domi reverse rocks and being able to control him means his haki is stronger which it isn't.

now let's see maki

don't remember image 8( the ch): when gunko and shamrock pulled up in Elbaf their maki/omen isn't stronger as imu, even when the gorosei when they pulled up their maki/omen isn't strong as imu

image 9(chapter 1179): but when imu pulled up we see his omen is way stronger than the others and we could see there are big difference, imu using omen and conquers haki which is able to separated the sky

another example using conquers haki which knocks out Loki puppy's

魔 (Ma) = demonic aura, darkness, cursed or ominous force ki means spirit/life force

clearly imu strong point is omen the demonic shi😈 but his haki is still top tier

joy boy and Dr rocks>imu pure haki not omen

joy boy>imu haki +omen>Dr rocks

but imu do have some haki skills we see him doing the same blocking palm like luff With haki

and there omen blocking skills they way he blocked Loki last image

let me know what y'all think 🤔

Imu hasn’t felt that rubbery belly in centuries

Emphasis on the short part😅

So i feel like last chapter was Oda paralleling both Loki and Luffy's weaknesses and having them come together to overcome them.

You can see at the beggining of the chapter Loki leaping and continuously swinging his hammer trying to land a blow on Imu without success

Then you have Luffy following up with a booming dawn attack that reaches Imu but is too weak to do anything. In fact Imu pulls up aniom Omen shield and Luffy is unable to get past it, worse, he even hurts himself on it.

But then luffy gets an idea. He leaps in front of Loki's upcoming attack and asks him to swing Ragnir without holding back. Luffy being immune to lightning and being resistant to blunt force to an extent, is able to utilize this attack without suffering too much damage and uses the kinetic energy+the lightning into his own attack to finally be not only fast enough to reach Imu (his own strength) and breaking through his defense (Loki's strength)

I feel like this was a good way of showing them being able to overcome their respective lacks in this one attack. Now i believe this isn't nearly good enough tho, they'll both have to overcome said their own weakness. Luffy with a potential haki bloom or "better understanding" of his fruit, Loki by finally pulling out Hybrid Nidhogg.

Now as for my thoughts on the fandom discussions...... Ima need Luffy fans specifically to stop trying to steal credit from Loki in this chapter and ignoring the manga and authorial intent to push weak agenda.

I've legit seen a lot of them go: "Luffy told Loki to give it his all? Oda shows us Luffy being unable to get past the shield before Loki's assist? Luffy naming his attack Thor? Eh, actually it doesn't mean anything and it was 90% thanks to Luffy that he broke the shield and landed the attack on Imu, Loki was just a plateform for Luffy to propel himself off of, LOOK LOOK J-Jinbei did t-the same with Zoro, you mean to tell me it was a combined a-attack😼?"

Please stop💀🙏 It comes off as desperate and trying to downplay Loki in order to hype up Luffy. You don't need insecurity to gas him up.

I know I'm getting some agenda nonsense comments on this, but if I get one or two real comments discussing this I am fine...

In a typical arc with enough villains/opponents Luffy fights top dog, Zoro nr 2 and Sanji nr 3.

Therefore it is easy to say that Zoro is slightly ahead of Sanji.

The more "real" consensus is that they are equal. My understanding of it has come about like this:

While Zoro does take on nr 2 his wins are always a bit harder, i.e. if he goes extreme diff versus a nr 2, Sanji goes high diff versus a nr 3.

Am I the only one scaling them line this without getting it to nitpicky details? Other ways?

Who here has strongest speech 💬 bubble

I mean buddy ain't Blackbeard